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Why are there taxes on 8 Coins?

Discussion in 'Land Areas' started by Xen, May 19, 2020.

  1. Xen

    Xen Member

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    These land areas are not owned by a player anymore so why are there taxes? Isn't that double dipping?
     
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  2. mastermesh

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    taxes go back to planet partner and Mindark to split... no double split... just old system that they don't know how to fix...
     
  3. Xen

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    Arkadia already gets a cut from normal hunting. If they get taxes from an LA they get both their normal cut and the taxes. This should not be done.
     
  4. mastermesh

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    I agree, but it's an issue that's been going on since the beginning. Asked the same question in ancient times regarding stuff like estates on Calypso that don't have a player owner yet... example: Shop Taxes on Omegaton West Habitat, a place that has no actual 'Land owner' so to speak...

    Yes, I agree, it's sort of a double taxation thing, but it's a system that is based on ancient times from when Mindark originally promised Planet Owners and the community an affiliate program... Then never actually implemented the system in the way they originally envisioned it... at least that's how I read it... If Planet Partner wants to chime in here with some alternative explanation, go ahead! :)


    https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...A-taxes-work&p=3601889&viewfull=1#post3601889
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    in other words... don't hunt on LAs unless you are hunting mob types or maturities that you can't find off of the LA... ;)

    (or alternatively you are too darn lazy to go find the other mobs off of the LA like some of us are)

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    now about taxes...

    I personally believe that most posting here are correct and LA taxes get cut out of your loot directly when you hunt on the LA...

    but someone mentioned old quotes... so feel the need to mention this:

    not really too helpful to the subject at hand (hunting tax), but might potentially have something to do with it a little since Shop taxes work a little similarly to hunting taxes... at least in theory... (i.e. every shop purchase gets a little tax added to it just like every hunting loot on LA likely takes a small cut in the taxes)

    below quotes are a bit perplexing since they saying alternative thing, at least that's how I interpret them:
    When I tried to ask support about who gets the taxes on shops where no participant owns the LA that the shop is on, such as at Omegaton, etc. the response was:
    so basically, imho Marco had no idea what the hell he was talking about when he was saying that the auction fees go back to community, unless perhaps that is how old Project Entropia worked, not Entropia Universe, the Platform, with Planet Partners, etc.

    The minimum shop tax fee is 2 pecs, which is why they don't allow shops to price below +1 ped... so basically any shop sale is 102% at minimum with 2 percent of that going to the taxes... I suspect that in ancient days that was done since the current system, that allows fractional portions of pecs to exist in loot, etc. didn't exist so much back then, so back then the idea was to have PP make 1 pec off of each sale on shop sales, and MA to make 1 pec off of the same sale...

    with LA taxes I think minimum is 103%... so could be 1 percent to PP, 1 percent to MA and 1 percent to LA owner, but suspect that the way that the wording is that it's all going to the LA owner?... and there's no real way to test that difference that I can think of... add in junk like the CLD portion that PP would normally get and the calculations probably get even more convoluted (even though Mindark gets audited, or so they say... doubt those audits dig this far in to this type of topic)
     
  5. mastermesh

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    p.s. if you want to do some investigations on the promised affiliate program the internet archive link above gives you an idea of how it was suppossed to work... and Mccormick has more info on that over on entropiaplanets....

    http://www.entropiaplanets.com/thre...rk-2009-20xx-and-the-german-xarxa-gmbh.22019/

    Internet Archive Link for that again is https://web.archive.org/web/20100418025815/http://www.planetcalypso.eu/en/node/71

    It's highly laughable that Mindark and Planet Partners like Arkadia never pushed to actually implement the darn program after it was promised over and over again... even compet's website had promises of an affiliate program before it died off...

    It's sad how many promises and ideas get started and never implemented or finished, and how many planet partners just sit back and let that happen without pushing Mindark to actually deliver the promises... Kind of used to piss me off too, but you eventually just get like meh, this is normal... and time goes on and on... sadly... not a darn thing you can do about it...

    Wonder how many peds those 3 folks with the affiliate links that actually existed ever made off of it all?... and which planet got a piece of that pie?...

    Mindark didn't give out too many answers on any of this... https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...-implemented&p=3690495&viewfull=1#post3690495

     
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