Ardorjies Experiment of Kills per Hunt on Hadraada

I like to do experiments in Entropia, mostly on hunting. It keeps me going, these are my personal "Missions". My experiment on the Halix with the Dmg/PEC differences is still on, although now on a lower activity. I am doing a lot lately with another kind of experiment, one that is going on now for some months I think, but I couldn't come up with a satisfying way of posting the results.

What it is all about is the Kills per Hunt. Some players say things like "you need to do longer runs if you want to profit." I believe that's Huonshit, because I think that each loot is determined individually; ie. it won't matter if one kills 1000 mobs in one massive hunt or 1000 mobs in 100+ small(er) hunts. Some mobs carry no loot, others a bit, above average and the occasional Global. In the end both get an average over 1000 kills.

The setup is as following:
Location: Celeste Quarry
Creature: Hadraada (Young - Provider)
Armour: None
Weapon (primary): Khorum Ice Dagger (3x)
Weapon (secondary): Ozpyn RSB S1X1
Fap (primary): Gyro Fap-18 (L)
Fap (secondary): S.I. H.E.A.R.T.
Kills per Hunt: 10, 30, 60, 90, 120, 150, 200, 225

I carry three Khorum Ice Daggers and alternate between them so that, in theory, all three will be used equally on all hunts. It is a pretty nice weapon to hunt these small Hadraadaas with, although for a Provider a slightly bigger one could have been handy. The Ozpyn RSB S1X1 is a Shortblade from Planet Cyrene, used as a finisher. The Gyro I use when my health is low, only happens when I get a crit.hit at a wrong moment, or being attacked by two or more Hadraadaas sometimes. The S.I. H.E.A.R.T. I use in between two mobs to get my health to ~90% back and after the hunt is done as well. This is normally more then enough to survive the attack.

These Kills per Hunt (KpH) I've choosen because it gives quite a good linear equation. Hard to explain, see this graph:
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The closer the R[SUP]2[/SUP] is to 1,000; the better the graph is. 0,991 is pretty good and it could have been better when the lowest hunt would be only 5 KpH, but that's really pushing the limit of my anxiety.
With each KpH the same about of Hadraadaas will be butchered.

Hadraada	Hunts	Total Kills
10 KpH	180	1800
30 KpH	60	1800
60 KpH	30	1800
90 KpH	20	1800
120 KpH	15	1800
150 KpH	12	1800
200 KpH	9	1800
225 KpH	8	1800
Total:	334	14.400

The setup of Ardorjies Experiment of Kills per Hunt on Hadraada is a follows:
a) The Kills per Hunt will be choosen randomly.
b) I will only hunt Hadraada at Celeste Quarry.
c) I scan every creature prior to attacking using a Chikara InvestaFoe ES300. [ The Scanning-costs will not be taken into account. ]
d) On the odd change that I die, I will return running and finish the job.
e) Every hunt will be completed that session. Not expended when the loot is good, or shorted when bad.
f) I record the weapons cost, medical cost and all separate.
g) I record the TT-value of each stackable and item after the hunt separately.
h) Globals will be noted down to be possible substracted for clearer results.
i) After each hunt I do 'something' different. I don't think it matters at all, but it won't hurt either I guess.
j) I'll post results in stages of 25 hunts done, with the exception of the first because I've already done 75+ hunts.

Conclusion when I am done:
I will make one graphs showing the Average Return (%) vs. KpH with and without Globals. If I can, also a total graph that shows how the Average Return (%) changes towards a mean. This to determine if a small hunt can still influence the Average Return (%) or not. In other words: one can image that when you kill 100 mobs and then 10 more, the results of these 10 are huge on the overall 110 kills, but when you kill 1.000.000 and then 10 more, ..., well drop in the ocean.

Hypothesis:
It doesn't matter if one does a small hunt or a big hunt for the average return (%) and in what items one can loot.

First result: probably later today or tomorrow.

Ardorj

 

Interesting experiment Ardorj. I agree that the number of kills per hunt has nothing to do with loot distribution, but this is an excellent way to strengthen that hypothesis.

One question: do you scan each creature purely for skill gains for taming reasons down the road, or is there another reason?

Thanks!

 

Thanks for your interest. I scan because it's a tic of me I guess. I have to scan most I encounter, mobs, players, vehicles.

Runs #1 - #75
I must say for a start that I like these Hadraadaas. They are easy enough to hunt naked, yet not boring like the Halixes are. Present some good loot now and then and often carry enough with them to give me a Global.

The progress I've made include (the number between brackets is the hunt-number):
Mission: 400 Hadraada (7), 1200 Hadraada (61)
Skills: 3000 Martial Arts (7), 4000 Melee Damage Assessment (13), 1400 Diagnosis (15), 2600 Shortblades (18), 2800 Shortblades (34), 5100 Anatomy (36)
Proffessions: 28 Knifefighter (Dmg) (13), 24 Knifefighter (Hit) (15), 29 Knifefighter (Dmg) (39), 26 Knifefighter (Hit) (72)

First table, the Return (%) of each KpH and the difference to the Average Return (%) of these first 75 hunts. When in green, it is better then average and in red means worse then average. Can't complain with 96% as a 'start'. The numbers listed under 'Global (PED)' is just what that's said: the values of all Globals in PEDs gotten with a given KpH.

Kill per Hunt	Hunts done	Hadraadaas	Return (%)	Diff. (%)	Globals (PED
10 KpH	44	440	114,376	+ 18,345	12, 12, 10, 36, 38
30 KpH	14	420	097,296	+ 01,265	23, 15
60 KpH	05	300	097,663	+ 01,632	13, 19, 19, 24
90 KpH	05	450	085,460	- 10,571	19, 42
120 KpH	04	480	068,730	- 27,300	10
150 KpH	01	150	126,134	+ 30,103	47, 11, 24
200 KpH	01	200	101,571	+ 05,540	15, 10
225 KpH	01	225	107,069	+ 11,038	39, 14, 10
Total	75	2.665	096,030	-	-

Second table, bit of copy-paste from the first and the cost to kill a Hadraada on average and here too in green and red numbers if it's better or worse then average. A negative number under 'Diff. (PED)' means that the cost per kill is lower then the average of all hunts combined, and thus that's good (green).

Kill per Hunt	Hunts done	Hadraadaas	Cost (PED)	Diff. (PED)
10 KpH	44	440	0,86930	- 0,00358
30 KpH	14	420	0,87180	- 0,00108
60 KpH	05	300	0,86387	- 0,00902
90 KpH	05	450	0,90223	+ 0,02934
120 KpH	04	480	0,86801	- 0,00487
150 KpH	01	150	0,91590	+ 0,04302
200 KpH	01	200	0,92395	+ 0,05106
225 KpH	01	225	0,86925	- 0,00363
Total	75	2.665	0,87288	-

I like these little Huon cousins.
Ardorj

 

To make it a bit more interesting, I think, here the Top 3 Globals from the hunts #1 - 75.

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The very first Global is still the #1 Hadraada Global. Scored in the still one and only 150 KpH-run wich has a good return, also thanks to two other Globals.

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The only Global in a 90 KpH-run that pushed the return well into the 100+% return, what otherwise would have been ~80% return.

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One of three Globals from the first 225 KpH-hunt, it did help alot for pushing the hunt as well into a profitable return.

Unfortuatly, I won't be albe to say anything constructive about the Globals, because I also often get a 10+ loot without the swirlies. Just yesterday I scored a Piron-PLR-12 (L) with ~18PED TT I think it was, but no Global. I don't know how or why that happens. The minimum Global-value of 10 PED is for all maturities, or am I mistaken?

 

Runs #76 - #100
Next phase done and still doing quite well I think, even though the results are done a little bit on average. The results posted here are from the hunts #76 to #100 only.

The progress I've made include (the number between brackets is the hunt-number):
Mission: none
Skills: 3200 Shortblades (92)
Proffessions: 30 Knifefighter (Dmg) (92)

First table, the Return (%) of each KpH and the difference to the Average Return (%) of hunts #76 to #100. When in green, it is better then average and in red means worse then average. The numbers listed under 'Global (PED)' is just what that's said: the values of all Globals in PEDs gotten with a given KpH.

Kill per Hunt	Hunts done	Hadraadaas	Return (%)	Diff. (%)	Globals (PED
10 KpH	16	160	076,936	-18,942	---
30 KpH	01	30	056,760	-39,100	---
60 KpH	03	180	092,898	-02,962	14
90 KpH	01	90	113,764	+17,904	---
120 KpH	02	240	106,346	+10,486	10, 10, 22
150 KpH	00	---	---	---	---
200 KpH	02	400	097,112	+01,252	51
225 KpH	00	---	---	---	---
Total	25	1.100	095,860	-	-

Globals (best 3):
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The best Global on Hadraada to date and it did help a lot. I remember that I got this baby near the end of a 200 KpH-run, like last 10 orso. Without this darling, it would have been quite a loss.

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One of two globals from a 90 KpH-run, getting me a healthy profit.

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A nice lootwindow!

Second table, bit of copy-paste from the first and the cost to kill a Hadraada on average and here too in green and red numbers if it's better or worse then average. A negative number under 'Diff. (PED)' means that the cost per kill is lower then the average of all hunts combined, and thus that's good (green).

Kill per Hunt	Hunts done	Hadraadaas	Cost (PED)	Diff. (PED)
10 KpH	16	160	0,87364	-0,00859
30 KpH	01	30	0,87510	-0,00712
60 KpH	03	180	0,92127	+0,03904
90 KpH	01	90	0,92886	+0,04663
120 KpH	02	240	0,88471	+0,00248
150 KpH	00	---	---	---
200 KpH	02	400	0,87011	-0,01212
225 KpH	00	---	---	---
Total	25	1.100	0,88222

In short: cost per Hadraada is up a tad bit, result is down a tiny marge, nothing to be shocked about.
Ardorj

 

Runs #101 - #125
25 more small(er) and big(ger) hunts done. Now a 10-kill run can still bring the overall return up or down a few tenths of percent.

The progress I've made include (the number between brackets is the hunt-number):
Mission: none
Skills: 3400 Shortblades (115)
Proffessions: 27 Knifefighter (Hit) (101)
Rare item: Corvus Thight (M) (106)

First table, the Return (%) of each KpH and the difference to the Average Return (%) of hunts #101 to #125.

Kill per Hunt	Hunts done	Hadraadaas	Return (%)	Diff. (%)	Globals (PED
10 KpH	11	110	086,764	-10,135	10
30 KpH	05	150	106,785	+09,886	---
60 KpH	02	120	090,326	-06,574	---
90 KpH	03	270	102,588	+05,689	14, 11, 36
120 KpH	01	120	072,350	-24,550	---
150 KpH	02	300	115,850	+18,951	48, 37, 10, 20
200 KpH	00	---	---	---	---
225 KpH	01	225	079,640	-17,257	---
Total	25	1.295	096,900

Globals (best 3):
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One of the best Global on Hadraada to date and it did help a lot. And a nice toy in it as well that I sold to a socmate.

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One of three globals from a 150 KpH-run, getting me a healthy profit.

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Just oils ... but it did help in getting a nearly 150% return that hunt.

Second table, bit of copy-paste from the first and the cost to kill a Hadraada on average. A negative number under 'Diff. (PED)' means that the cost per kill is lower then the average of all hunts combined, and thus that's good (green).

Kill per Hunt	Hunts done	Hadraadaas	Cost(PED)	Diff. (PED)
10 KpH	11	110	0,84485	-0,01437
30 KpH	05	150	0,84189	-0,01733
60 KpH	02	120	0,90097	+0,04175
90 KpH	03	270	0,90554	+0,04632
120 KpH	01	120	0,84505	+0,01417
150 KpH	02	300	0,87253	+0,01332
200 KpH	00	---	---	---
225 KpH	01	225	0,86900	+0,00978
Total	25	1.100	0,85922

In short: Nothing quite different from before. I like 'm quite well too.
Ardorj

 

Runs #126 - #175
Nothing much is happening in the forumpart and thread, but I've done 50 more Hadraada hunts.

The progress I've made include (the number between brackets is the hunt-number):
Mission: Hadraada Stage 4 (4800 Kills) (? 173 ?)
Skills: 3600 Shortblades (151); 4200 Melee Damage Assessment (151)
Proffessions: 28 Knifefighter (Hit) (130); 31 Knifefighter (Dmg) (132); 29 Knifefighter (Hit) (160)
Rare item: none

First table, the Return (%) of each KpH and the difference to the Average Return (%) of hunts #126 to #175.

Kill per Hunt	Hunts done	Hadraadaas	Return (%)	Diff. (%)	Globals (PED
10 KpH	31	310	101,404	+04,686	10, 31, 21
30 KpH	07	210	110,930	+14,213	28, 33
60 KpH	06	360	085,406	-11,311	---
90 KpH	01	90	128,027	+31,310	18, 10, 26
120 KpH	02	240	085,915	-10,802	15, 10
150 KpH	02	300	090,209	-06,509	---
200 KpH	01	200	107,432	+10,715	12, 10, 25, 13
225 KpH	00	---	---	---	---
Total	50	1.710	096,717

Globals (best 3):
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A lovely stuffed lootwidow.

View attachment 10117
How to get 500% return? Kill 10 Hadraada of wich one carries >22PED Eye Oil plus >8PED of high explosive. No wonder I got the fireworks.

View attachment 10118
As you can see, there are only 31 Hadraadaas between this global and the better above.

Second table, bit of copy-paste from the first and the cost to kill a Hadraada on average. A negative number under 'Diff. (PED)' means that the cost per kill is lower then the average of all hunts combined, and thus that's good (green).

Kill per Hunt	Hunts done	Hadraadaas	Cost (PED)	Diff. (PED)
10 KpH	31	310	0,89265	+0,00502
30 KpH	07	210	0,88417	-0,00346
60 KpH	06	360	0,88135	-0,00628
90 KpH	01	90	0,84409	-0,04355
120 KpH	02	240	0,87097	-0,01667
150 KpH	02	300	0,88351	-0,00413
200 KpH	01	200	0,87915	-0,00849
225 KpH	00	---	---	---
Total	50	1.710	0,88764

In short: I like the Hadraadaas and I am seeing evermore an average return of ~96.5%, wich considering what I got with my Uneconomic-Experiment is something I didn't expect at first.
Ardorj

 

It sucks that the forum updates messed up your coding horribly....

 

Ohoh, I only see it just now ... it's a complete mess ...

Yeah! Where would we be without you?

 

I would love to get an update on this so we can see the tables. This would be a great experiment to see!

 

I update per 25 hunts and lately I didn't had enough time to do many. Besides I am waiting for Snape and Dylan to get the plugin and all working. Stay tuned!

 

Not for me they are not!!

 

Done. Easy when you know what to do, yet still time-consuming. I fear I got to do (in part) the tables of the Eco-Exp. too.
Where have all the pictures gone to by the way? Noticed it yestereve too when I wanted to take a look at the Underground-Creature-Map and saw that was gone too.

 

Nice. I am doing these missions at the moment so this is pretty useful!!

 

Runs #176 - #200
It took me some time to complete these latest 25 runs, but I killed more Hadraadaas this time then the previous 50 runs. Good to note: I made a profit with these runs, yeih-yah!

The progress I've made include (the number between brackets is the hunt-number):
Mission: none
Skills: 3200 Martial Arts (179); 360 Coolness (181); 3800 Shortblades (188); 3200 Inflict Melee Damage (200)
Proffessions: 32 Knifefighter (Dmg) (182); 20 Evader (183); 30 Knifefighter (Hit) (188)
Rare item: none

First table, the Return (%) of each KpH and the difference to the Average Return (%) of hunts #176 to #200.

Kill per Hunt	Hunts done	Hadraadaas	Return (%)	Diff. (%)	Globals (PED
10 KpH	10	100	088,479	-14,292	11
30 KpH	04	120	136,348	+33,577	54, 19
60 KpH	01	060	071,825	-30,947	---
90 KpH	04	360	092,395	-10,376	26, 11
120 KpH	---	---	---,---	--,---	---
150 KpH	03	450	126,751	+23,980	11, 37, 27, 12, 49, 13
200 KpH	02	400	088,419	-14,352	15, 12, 14
225 KpH	01	225	095,993	-06,778	20, 15, 27
Total	25	1.715	102,771

Globals (best 3):

The main reason that I ended in a profit for these 25 hunts. Also love the 'instand profit' globals, seeing as this one was giving during a 30-kill hunt.


I got this in a 150-kill hunt and it was all dry untill close to the end where I got first this love and then few Hadraadaas later a smaller 13 PEDder.


The last one, still pretty good.

Second table, bit of copy-paste from the first and the cost to kill a Hadraada on average. A negative number under 'Diff. (PED)' means that the cost per kill is lower then the average of all hunts combined, and thus that's good (green).

Kill per Hunt	Hunts done	Hadraadaas	Cost (PED)	Diff. (PED)
10 KpH	10	100	0,88178	+0,00219
30 KpH	04	120	0,87116	-0,00771
60 KpH	01	060	0,90298	+0,02411
90 KpH	04	360	0,88445	+0,00558
120 KpH	---	---	-,-----	--,----
150 KpH	03	450	0,86003	-0,01884
200 KpH	02	400	0,88315	+0,00428
225 KpH	01	225	0,88216	+0,00329
Total	25	1.715	0,87887

In short: Getting ever better on the Hadraadaas. Shrapnel was introduced on of these hunts and because I want to see if there is also a relationship between the lenght of the hunt and the items, (including stackables), I should split that in the pré and post-Shrapnel-era.
Ardorj