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You, the economy and a space fleet

Discussion in 'Space' started by Atlan Leticron, Jun 21, 2011.

  1. Atlan Leticron

    Atlan Leticron Active Member

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    Good day fellow Arkadians.
    I hereby want to open a discussion about the Arkadia Space Fleet.

    Space has arrived and basically cut us off from other planets and resources.
    We don't have the possibility to quickly tp to another planet for a fee or buy something in auction for a transport fee.
    So we are now on our own feet.
    Our own economy is young and needs to be fed to grow.

    To accomplish this, we need to open trading lanes to other planets.
    And this is where you and me come into play.

    The Arkadia Star Fleet (ASF)

    Hollyman already made a start with the Arkadia Space Agency.
    However this is a society and you need to be a member.

    ASF will be volunteer based and everyone can join, no matter if your in a soc or not.
    However ASF can work together with ASA to get things arranged.

    In my vision, clients can go to the ASA to arange a trip, get resources etc.
    In this case ASA will work as a main office and they on there turn arrange the flights with ASF.
    This way things keep organized and can be streamlined.

    The Fleet.

    The fleet will be build on volunteers.
    For that we need ship owners, pilots and gunners as a primary.
    It is a option to expand with engineers, crafters and other supporting personnel.

    Volunteers will be put on a list and when a trip comes available they can state if they are on duty.

    We don't know yet what space craft we get.
    But we can use all space vehicles and crews.
    We need ships to transport passengers and fighters for protection.
    In time my might separate things like a fighter wing etc.
    Maybe even small fighter groups to do fast runs for small demands.

    Space travel.

    To my idea, space travel can be best executed in groups.
    This way passengers and goods can be best protected.

    Fee's and costs.

    Well this has yet to be determined.
    As of know, this is all unknown to us.
    However I urge to keep the costs and fee's to a minimum for the customers at start.
    Later when our economy is stronger it is a option to re evaluate prices.

    I however do think that fee's should be applied.
    These can be minimum or even in goods like oil etc.
    But we must not forget that those who volunteer risk there assets and PED for our economy.

    Location.

    I want propose Celeste Harbor as HQ.
    Celeste is large enough and has sufficient landing pad's.
    Everyone has the Celeste tp, even newcomers will get it pretty fast.
    And the military HQ can function as a office if needed.

    Fleet moto.

    Non nobis sed omnibus (Not for ourselves, but for all)



    And to all Arkadians I want to ask.
    Don't think with your wallet and support our planet.
    Keep your markups decent and even a little low at start, this will help to grow our economy.
    Give hunters and miners a chance to gather resources, give crafters and traders a chance to keep our fleet going.
    Don't tt your stuff but sell it, we all have to invest something for the good cause.
    Think as a community and accept to loose a little now and we have later a good economy to pick the fruits from.
    Or think only of yourself and stuff your pockets now and find yourself later in a dead economy where nothing can be gained from.
    Remember that If you are not big enough to lose you are too small to win.

    Lets not forget that the succes of Arkadia is not resting on the shoulders of a few.
    It is resting on the shoulders of all Arkadians.
    And I have faith in the Arkadia community.

    Well lets discus this.
    I will edit the post with more info when needed.

    With kind regards,
    Ion
     
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  2. Atlan Leticron

    Atlan Leticron Active Member

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    I worked out a few details.

    Celeste Harbour as a trading town for space and planet.
    CH is a big enough town to accommodate a bristling market for trading and meeting.
    The spacious set up and open terminals makes it ideal for large groups of people to do there business at CH or to just meet and socialize.
    Also in the future, shops and apartments will be located here.
    This will turn CH into a great trading town for Arkadia.


    Arkadia Star Fleet HQ

    As ASF HQ I propose to use the dome next to the tp in Celeste Harbour.
    It is ideal located between the teleporter and terminals and the landing docks.
    This prevents that pilots need to spawn there vehicles between the other people present.
    Also the dome is a great land marker at Celeste Harbour and is open en big enough.

    All ASF volunteers who are available for duty simply report themselves at the dome.
    This creates a central point where others who wish to use the ASF services just have to go to to find ASF crew.
    This prevents that people have to spend long times to tp around places to find a pilot or service.

    At the dome, Arkadians can directly buy there goods from the fleet pilots or place orders.
    Crafters and engineers can offer there services to the fleet and pilots can meet up and coordinate there flights or meet gunners and other crew they want to bring with them.

    All this creates a central hub where planet business meets space business.


    Some Fleet details

    The ASF setup is to keep prices affordable and at a decent level, open for every level of profession.
    Our goal is to set travel prices that are welcome for user and service provider.
    This price list will be published together with a list of trusted pilots/ship crew who accept to fly for those prices.
    Together we can keep markup prices on imported goods at a affordable level and to get our economy growing.

    Pvp seems not to be a big problem at this point in time.
    However if this will get worse, it is possible to organize group or convoy trips from CH. Traveling in convoy will improve the security on planetary travelings.

    If there is a need, I am willing to set up a homepage for ASF.

    Wat we need now.

    A list with volunteers stating there fleet job (pilot, gunner, engineer etc)
    Establish travel prices.
    A list with needed goods for pilots to look at and see what they can bring to Arkadia.

    Suggested travel prices:

    Planet - space station - 17 PED (including returning fee for pilot)
    Arkadia - Calypso - 30 PED
    Arkadia - Next Island - 25 PED
    Arkadia - RockTropia - 30 PED


    I will edit this post if things are changing.
    Please feel free to discus this.

    Regards,
    Ion
     
  3. Chiba

    Chiba Member

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    Subscribing here, need to make some thinking :)
     
  4. Hollyman

    Hollyman Member

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    Thank you Ion for the great statement.

    ASA will support ASF.
    Sure ASA want members, but we not like to kill other socces.
    We are an agency, not an oldschool soc.
    Years of gameplay learned me that it is sometimes better to have ex-members in good contact to work with other socces for a good thing.

    We are very happy to see your accurate action to get the market up.
    Very soon we suply afortable components to realize our dream of independence.

    If there is an crafter that can build the Thrusters, plz contact me, so we can find an sollution.
    plz pm me of Ion in order to organize a soft start into space for Arkadia.

    Ion, this means you 2.
    GL m8 I hope ASF wil have succses.
     
  5. Atlan Leticron

    Atlan Leticron Active Member

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    Thanks Hollyman.

    Yes I support your soc and with this idea we can invite people without having them to leave there current soc.
    I believe we can arrange a fruitful cooperation between ASA and ASF.

    I myself volunteer as a ship owner (fully rigged Sleipnir, I only need a truster) and as pilot, gunner, engineer.
    I also will direct my crafting toward space ships, weapons and components

    Regards,
    Ion
     
  6. Fopsie

    Fopsie Active Member Pro Users

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    I will join as a pilot / gunner / scout. I also have a Sleipnir just need the Fire of Hell and thruster on it.

    Im still in shock over the Full PVP part so no interplanatery trade for me for now. Will setup base in Celest Harbour when I get of Calypso.
     
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    Ralacs New Member

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    Auch, just logged on and realized - as many others that I'm indeed stranded too :D

    Finally something exciting happens!
     
  8. Lee DeLioncourt

    Lee DeLioncourt Arkadian Outrider Platinum Member

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    Great initiative Ion and others. Not sure yet how I can help exactly, zero interest or skill in pvp, but I have a vtol that if I can equip it right can maybe be used, and I craft, so even though low level I too will try to work on the needed items if and when we have the bps and materials needed. Been ill today so not even logged in, but will pop in tomorrow and see how it's all going. Arkadians are tough cookies, we will not only survive but thrive :)
     
  9. Snape

    Snape Master of the BanHammer Staff Member PAF Administrator

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    I too have a VTOL and will gladly volunteer when and where able. Need a thruster and will try and get my hands on a fighter at some point.
     
  10. Lee DeLioncourt

    Lee DeLioncourt Arkadian Outrider Platinum Member

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    Oo Snape in space in a fighter, now that's a scary thought lol (sorry, back on topic now :) )
     
  11. MIND

    MIND Member

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    got a VTOL too and i will gladly help to get some stuff from calypso to arkadia.

    if someone needs something form calypso PM me and i will buy it for you and sell it for the same price to you :)

    oh i will also join the soc ASA as soon as possible
     
  12. Atlan Leticron

    Atlan Leticron Active Member

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    Thank you for the reply so far.

    Name is changed to: Arkadia Star Fleet.

    I am currently in the 10 hour night shift at work, so limited online time.
    However I will work out the details a bit more and keep you posted.

    Regards,
    Ion
     
  13. Puck

    Puck Adviser Pro Users Arkadia Adviser

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    My VTOL (and future thruster) are also at your disposal.
     
  14. Atlan Leticron

    Atlan Leticron Active Member

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    I added the first posts with some more details.

    I propose Celeste Harbour as a space trading city and HQ for ASF.

    Regards,
    Ion
     
  15. Neil

    Neil Adviser Pro Users Arkadia Adviser

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    I agree with Ion. I just posted in the other thread about the best trading place why I think we should gather at Celeste. ASF would provide an essential service to traders. I recommend setting up ASA and ASF and a trading center at the dome between the CH TP and the landing decks. The dome is big enough for all atm, and if we need more room, the or move to the military HQ

    Both traders with and without their own ships would benefit from ASF. Traders who own their own ships would benefit by being able to find passengers and other pilots to travel with (safety in numbers). Traders without ships would benefit by finding pilots or couriers for their goods, or by making arrangements for others to buy goods for them. This is especially where ASF is most valuable.

    If you're traveling with a lot of ped, there's an awful lot of trust you put in your pilot. If a pilot is an ASF pilot, you know he's been vetted and isn't a scammer who's going to call his pirate buddies to attack you when you're out in space. And you know he's an experience pilot and won't take you into dangerous territory without the proper support. And if an ASF pilot doesn't treat you right, you can complain to ASF about him.

    If you're just a pilot, ASF will benefit you because they can refer passengers to you. I don't see who ASF won't benefit... even if you just want a lift up to the space station to catch a mothership. So even the mothership owners benefit (a bit) too.

    Oh wait, the pirates won't benefit from ASF, but that's fine by me. :)
     
  16. MindStar9

    MindStar9 Deactivated User

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    Now sure exactly how I can help at this point, but I will definitely be one of those Arkadians available to be of service in one capacity or another. Great initiative to both Ion and Hollyman for sure, and I appreciate the time you took to sort out all of the details. I currently have a VTOL MKII, but will be looking to upgrade to a Fighter as well, so perhaps I might even consider joining the fleet on group excursions for safety measures - who knows - anything is possible. :)

    I really love that the Arkadian community is coming together, rather than everyone jumping ship like some have done, but I certainly understand their dilemma. I also like that what's happened has forced us to work together to accomplish what we need, and it also lifts our spirits and inspires us to make a go of it. I have a feeling that efforts will definitely end up being a very positive thing for sure.

    Thanks to all who have hung in there. :)
     
  17. XeroX

    XeroX Active Member Pro Users

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    I think atm it is safer to travel on your own in silence and pray to dump into noone by taking a quiet route... but well only time will tell I guess. Could be that traveling in a big group means an advantage later on. However in the old lootable PVP zones it used to be 1 uber VS big mid lvl group= 1 Uber wins and loots all... We┬┤ll see how that pans out in space. Personaly I got a feeling that MA will design it in a similar way in their own best interest. (with Space PVP Ubers=cash cows for them) Since the Ubers will have to have the strongest spaceships and equiptment.
     
  18. Atlan Leticron

    Atlan Leticron Active Member

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    Yes, pvp is not a big problem at the moment.
    A central point where pilots and customers can meet is a good thing to my idea.

    About space pvp, yes what you say holds in a land pvp area.
    However a Q-wing is a Q-wing, if your uber or noob it always gives the same protection while on land it is shadow against pixie.
    If your ship blows up your dead, 50 HP or 250 HP.

    As far as I can see, space pvp is a whole different ball game.
    But this is another discussion.

    Regards,
    Ion
     
  19. Lee DeLioncourt

    Lee DeLioncourt Arkadian Outrider Platinum Member

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    Besides my Vtol, you can add an armed and ready Interceptor to the fleet Ion :) Drop me a pm when and if it may be useful.
     
  20. Atlan Leticron

    Atlan Leticron Active Member

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    Thanks Lee, that sounds very useful :D


    Regards,
    Ion
     

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