Yes, the only decent vehicle with 4x4 in game might be the big 6 wheeler. It looks like it would run up some steps, of course the hummer looked ok too..its all in the game. They don't allow much flexibility I don't think. Oh by the way, still considering the VTOL...my ore sold on auction just over 300 ped today..so I'm seriously thinking about it.I'm just a little shocked that they only fly 57...seemed really slow for a plane no matter what kind. The helicopter seems to have found a place, I saw at least one doing shuttle missions ..pay-per-person to other sites that don't have any TP's. It's bigger than I thought it was going to be when I actually saw one. I thought it would be more 'personal' in size, not commercial sized. Crap, it looks like we sidetracked the discussion..oh wait..."If I get anything like that, I'll be able to do some serious fishing later on..." there fixed it..lol.