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Estates Shops? what now?

Discussion in 'Feedback' started by Boardian Chilix, Oct 10, 2012.

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  1. Boardian Chilix

    Boardian Chilix Active Member Pro Users

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    auction houses fees lower in auction, destroying the value of had worked shops
     
  2. Samuel Sam Robet

    Samuel Sam Robet Active Member Pro Users

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    Signed... they should lower shop fees by 25% as well ..
     
  3. KikkiJikki

    KikkiJikki Well-Known Member Pro Users

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    In shops we still can list many more items than on auction. We still have no risk of unsold items costing us (reduced) auction fees. Yes it is harder to compete on pricing. AS a crafter I am hopeful that we will see increased supply of ingrediants in auction leading to some reduction in MU. That would allow me to cut prices of my items or have a higher margin per item. So I am not sure whether I will be personally better of or worse off. I do think it is better for the smaller budget player and that is in turn better for the health of the gane and the EU economy.
     
  4. rick_janson

    rick_janson Well-Known Member Pro Users

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    Actually, when I posted something on auction today... I checked the old auction fee, and it was the same on the auction... So I'm not sure it actually got changed...
     
  5. Boardian Chilix

    Boardian Chilix Active Member Pro Users

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    imo would just make way more sense and be better for the health of economy to allow pec pricing adjusting no reducing fees, pec pricing would allow to more stable economy, not those big reductions in prices we see now as per the rounding downpricing
     
  6. Boardian Chilix

    Boardian Chilix Active Member Pro Users

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    yes i did check later and is not working yet, but is on release notes
    Changes & Improvements
    Auction fees have been reduced by 25% for all items, and reduced by 90% for all deeds.
     
  7. KikkiJikki

    KikkiJikki Well-Known Member Pro Users

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    Awesome idea Chili
     
  8. Snape

    Snape Master of the BanHammer Staff Member PAF Administrator

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    What I'd like to see is the prices that things sell for in shops also contributing the the MU% when you look it up...Shop owners are already fighting from a disadvantaged position owing to the fact that they continually have to work to a MU% that they have no contribution to. It would certainly lessen the instances of people being accused of price ripoffs etc when they are legitimately trying to run a sustainable business. Seems ludicrous to me that you have an economic marker that does not take into account a significant portion of the economy....just my 2pec
     
  9. harmony

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    While i like the idea it is too easy to manipulate markups without any costs involved (through calypso mall shops). So just adding the markups from shops without further thought seems like a bad idea to me.
     
  10. Snape

    Snape Master of the BanHammer Staff Member PAF Administrator

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    In the past, I would have agreed with you Harmony, BUT since I realised that the markup is a weighted mean/average then it wouldn't make as much difference at all if someone tried to manipulate things. Essentially they would have to consistently sell more than auction to even have a hope of effecting the outcome.....

    All I'm saying is that the TT value of items and the MU they sell for in shops, needs to be included in the global MU history for the item when you view its info.
     
  11. Fallen

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    a searchable shop directory with a content/price list might go a long way towards helping shopkeepers, it can be a bit of a drag to run around checking shops to look for a specific item.
     
  12. KikkiJikki

    KikkiJikki Well-Known Member Pro Users

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    Can't remember how many times we have asked for this. Everyone benefits.
     
  13. Neil

    Neil Adviser Pro Users Arkadia Adviser

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    Since I'm not one of the wealthy elite on Ark, I am completely uninterested in maintaining shop prices so high. IMO they are already an order of magnitude too high. Anything that makes shops more affordable is fine by me, including increasing their operating costs.
     
  14. KikkiJikki

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    LOL thanks so much Neil :p

    I actually don't think this will have too much effect on the sale price of shops here on Arakadia owing to the small supply of them. Caly shops may have an issue though.

    However it may well drive down revenue which is sad considering the level of investment shop owners have made into the success of the Arkadian economy.
     
  15. Oleg

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    No they wouldn't. It would leave auction users struggling to compete with shop owners, which would lead to more undercutting of prices and the usual race to the bottom which we already see far too often and which inevitably results in less markup for everyone, shopowners included.

    A good shopowner is a wonderful thing to have around (Chilix can tell you how often I visit his shops) but they are a tiny majority of the EU population, and we should under no circumstances endanger the economy as a whole by giving them a further competitive advantage.

    That said, I agree that reducing auction fees without reducing shop fees in parallel would be a bad move.
     
  16. Samuel Sam Robet

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    The issue is .. the shops are owned by the Mall. Or by the land owner... so it would also be undercutting the Mall or the LA owner if shop fees got reduced. How can you balance this out then?

    1) Give every shop EU wide +5 item points
    2) Make it so shopkeepers don't decay

    Though not an amazing solution, it at least somethign to help counterbalance 25% ah fees (which is quite a bit).
     
  17. Boardian Chilix

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    Neil ......................................................................................
     
  18. Neil

    Neil Adviser Pro Users Arkadia Adviser

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    Sorry... I'm just a little bitter that it's impossible for 99.5% of players to own a shop.

    As shop owners, I think you have to agree that shop owners currently have a HUGE competitive advantage over auction users... why else would shops be going for 10k-15k ped?
     
  19. Boardian Chilix

    Boardian Chilix Active Member Pro Users

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    you are quite wrong, you dont know how much works takes a shop owner to take someone t his shop, most shop lose money considering the amaunt of money they have there shop value +inventory take that and use clds as example, 90% of shops will be getting more doing nothing, hell i even win way lower on my shop than on auction and if you considere all the peds i spend in events/ads and stuff is a joke, is not a win issue related is the only way i have to fight people using 4-5 familys accaunts to fload auctions, you fload auction i dump guns in my shop, you know i will be winning tons more that way and wouldnt require any work?
    are you aware that i will be one of the most beneficts of such a change also as per i am one of most active sellers in auctions?is abaut fairnes and what is right, i bought a shop from ark studios no so many months ago which i havent been able to use fully yet ,we deserve words abaut it not just some sneaky update notes they have changed for the worst our investments withaout any word
    sell me some smoke at least and tell me what you are going to do in years so cool for shops, but not a word no compensation is plain wrong
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    Spanish banks= Ma guess where chilix has 80% of his wealth, the less of two evils :D, so when you call abaut me "welthy" and abaut my investments in such a way when i can live a month which each shop value and start making judgment values, well not of a good taste i cant think good things, is like if i told you i wish your bank goes broke because is evil or whatever, me dont like
     
  20. KikkiJikki

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    Because there are less then 30 shop deeds across the whoe planet. Demand clearly is far in excess of supply. No arguement with the assertion that there is benefit to owning a shop rather than working through the auction system. Else I wouldnt buy and run shops. The cost of that benefit is rather high though. And the risks one chooses to take are significant also. If the number of shops increases (which they should), what will happen to expected MU of my shops should I choose to sell? If MA does a significant nerf to shops (and I am not convinced this auction fee is significant) then what will that do to my revenue stream? Owning a shop is certainly no guarantee of a positive ROI or of financial success. You need a good business plan, a supply chain, marketing. And it's easy to screw any of these up. Regards, KikkiJikki
     
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