Pirated kitten

Jaywalker, we specifically tried to allow the naming of pirates, and made a place for it. It turned out to be hell. This is our next best alternative. If you have any ideas for allowing naming to happen without it requiring a ridiculous amount of work for mods to stop people from breaking forum rules left right and centre, then we'd sure love to hear it.

The current Rule 2e begins with "Posts or Threads made with the intention of "Naming and Shaming" other players are not allowed." It goes on to mention that this includes piracy. As far as I can see then, that already covers all the other potential "scum" you mentioned (traders, mentors and yes, even forum mods).

I will choose not to read your final comment as a personal attack to myself and the other forum mods. If it was in fact such a thing, it would be a breach of Rule 2b.

-rep

 

MS's are of course the prefered way. If you rely on a MS though you lose mobility in your sales. You have more people that can ultimately backstab or have a thief / pirate in there ranks as well. In my opinion travelling solo in a quad is the best, with no passengers.

The mobility of travelling when you want, where you want for 3-4 PED at fast speeds is important to a lot of players. The best pts to stress are safetly, and be sketchy... Dont fly from populated areas... And im not talking about just when you have a lot of resources. You make your take off vanilla as possible. The same everytime... from a location thats remote. This way your not setting yourself for being tracked and brought down.

I love my friends, I love my soc. I trust a few people in game (RARE) But you cannot trust the majority of people. Its a sad reality... Becuase at the moment they get what they want your just tossed out with yesterdays trash.

Do your axis check before you fly, dont take your eyes off the flight path and do not fly direct to any planet when travelling. Even with these precautious we all will be shot down eventually.

Travel safe.

 

Sorry to hijack your thread kitten, but I think I'd better quote my response to Tim's neg rep here, in case other people take what I said the wrong way.

To save people going back a page: here's the comment Tim responded to

Tim, you are not being entirely honest, above. I'm sure there's a rule against quoting rep comments , so I won't. But your rep comment (which is the first thing I saw, before your post) made it very clear that you took my remarks personally, and indeed, it amounted to a personal attack against me.


jay

 

poor kitten i think its time to kill some pirates if i can help in anyway let me know

 

Practical suggestion kitten:

Post the name of the pirate on another forum...then post the link here.

Seriously, the "naming and shaming" rule in PCF, did not preclude naming pirates, last i checked.

Indeed, it doesn't necessarily preclude naming anybody in connnection with an indisputed action, even if illegal (eg you are not allowed to cry "scammer", but I've seen screenies of scammers in action posted there, which helped to expose them, ofc. The threads in question don't always get closed. It depends how the OP handles the issue, and what responses they get)

I haven't checked out EP for a while, but they are usually more relaxed and easy-going than other fora, so that's another place you could check out.

Like most others here, I'd really like to know who the pirate in question is. (Yeah, i'd like to be sure I don't trade with him, which is my legitimate free choice, just as pirating is his...though, I do kinda hope that he didn't TT those gorgeous textures.Such a waste!)


jay

 

Well for sure that one thing I would not do is EVER advertise that I am carrying stuff from one planet to another.
I am sure it is not hard to put 2 and 2 together, figure out your in game ava and just attack you when they see you in space.

I am sorry for your loss, but if this is such a problem, why won't MA fix it?

 

Fopsie and I took of from the Quarry yesterday, and were immediately followed by a pirate who intended to kill us. The pirate is not one who's normally seen on Arkadia and I at least had not seen him before we left. Unfortunately for him, it was not a fair fight... he was far outmatched (in brains, not guns) and we had no problem leaving the safe zone without firing a shot.

Anyway, I mention this incident as a warning that pirates use informers or (illegal) second avatars at common lift-off points. I had not seen the pirate at the quarry yesterday, or anywhere else on Ark, and think it's likely he logged in in order to follow us up to space. Be smart when discussing travel plans in all-chat.

 

I dont much care for pirates, or getting shot down.... but its pvp space..... so really there are no pirates... its all just sanctioned pvp... there are ship bonuses for being at both sides of the spectrum, all good, or all "evil". there is no fix for space.... work together, fly in numbers, use gunners, COMMUNICATE, there are many things that will make you a stronger pvp player. Make the right choices in game and you will be rewarded, make poor choices and you will be poor

 

Apologies to Kitten for taking this a little off topic once again. I guess it was always going to happen when we start talking about piracy...

I will try to sort things out with this post and move back on track. I would normally take this to PM, but since I started it in front of everyone (perhaps in error), I shall finish it here too.


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Jaywalker, I can see now that you meant your comments as a bit of a joke and a fair query of policy, and I can see that you DO have a point in your post.

Overall, I do stand by what I said in the neg rep: that cynical non-constructive comments have no place in this forum, particularly when they border on insults. I can see now, however, that your post wasn't such a comment, so I take it back. I'll start that by +repping you, and ask vantastic if possible to delete the neg rep.

For what it's worth, things have been extremely trying in the area of piracy recently, and really we mods just don't want to see all the horrible negative stuff that goes on when piracy gets brought up - primarily because we have to walk right through the crossfire to keep it from descending to madness, and that's never pleasant.

After many weeks of trying to get the balance right in here, and painstaking deliberation over whether the rules address it properly, I guess your comment pushed a button for me - possibly at least partly because Snape is a very good friend of mine IRL and I know he's doing his utmost to be (and a very good job of being) fair and reasonable in here, with his heart very much in the right place.

I didn't think you were calling us scum (that's what I meant by not having taken it personally). What I was responding to was that your comment overall didn't appear to me at the time to be anything but deconstructive. That appears to have been a misjudgement on my part.


I apologise that my comment felt to you like a personal attack - that was not at all my intention. But given how it seems to have come across to you, it was hippocritical of me. Hopefully when I get van to resolve the rep, you'll end up "nett" with +rep from me, which would be my thanks for dealing with this maturely yourself.

 

all i can say is that you have stolen from your own wallet.
the money you lost is your own doing, you should have come prepared.

 

Tim , I'll try to be brief (apologies to Kitten again)
Though i don't have the privilege of knowing snape IRL, i thoroughly agree with your comments about him! Can confirm that he did, indeed take my post in the right spirit, and was not at all offended
Thank you very much for your response and +rep.
jay

 

For Heaven's sake!

Kitten's complaint is that she cannot run a texturing business in a cost-effective manner, given that there is a vast, unavoidable stretch of PvP between the source of her textures (Ark) and the majority of her clients (Caly). The incident of being shot down has brought this home to her. "Coming prepared" (whatever that means) no doubt adds to the cost, so it isn't really a solution.

Kitten is a texturer, not a PvP-er. She is very well-known as a texturer, indeed, so keeping quiet and pretending there isn't a problem, so as not to look like a whiner, is not an option either. This needed to be posted, for public information. Your remark did not.

jay

 

No doubt by "come prepared" he meant bribing the pirates. Dumb idea really... it only encourages them and feeds their ego.

 

I agree quads are not safe way to transport stackable goods, only safe way which also is not 100% but very close is fully equiped MS with full warp upgrades. Normandie and Kronan are good choices although I heard Normandie does have some crew members that do piracy in their off hours from their job on the MS.

I whole hearted agree with you Xandra, I've been saying that since day one of space. I just don't see how they get away with it....

Caly space station just sucks... All the safe zones need to be much larger to make camping more of a slight chance to see people leave. Also the triangle markers have to go it is just big flag for "shoot me". Dumbest idea I think MA ever implemented was the flagging the vehicles.

The words or a full fledged Pirate right there.

Exactly NEVER deal with a pirate they will just shoot ya down anyways. They are pirates they have no morals or care for others then their own little selves. Pirates don't deserve to be treated as civilized individuals in my view.

Just my thoughts alone.

 

People need to stop thinking of the planets as all one connected game. They are separate entities by design. If you want to make a profit off of the differences in planet set ups (ie. different textures) they you take the risk.

I personally wish MA would have held off and not connected the planets initially by tp. People got too used to the quick easy and safe travel.

 

You are certainly welcome to this view but I disagree. Separate by design would not allow travel between them.

We're all in this universe together.

 

The sad part of the game and RL is your always going to find A$$holes who will take advantage of people. the way things are is its lootable PvP between planets, not much anyone can do but deal with it. There are still pirates in RL today, at least with the game you can't loose your life. Sorry to hear you got shot down kitten

 

Yup I agree this is called Entropia Universe after all....

 

This was very unfortunate.. This was only a day after I had gotten her a secure transport on mothership Kronan.
Although the Normandie may only do scheduled flights.. Kronan does offer flights at anytime for 110ped for anysize of group.
You can either contact me here on the forums or find me ingame. I'm sure Kitten or one of the other Advisers would be happy to point you in the right direction. I also offer express quad flights at anytime to anywhere in the Universe.
I look forward to working for you. Good luck and be safe!

 

mindark put up an official answer to some question on piracy here

http://www.entropiaforum.com/forum/ask-mindark/201801-considered-harasment.html#post2582141

For now I am happy just stay put on Arkadia mostly heheh