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Neil's Aakas Instance Log

Discussion in 'Instances' started by Neil, Feb 25, 2013.

  1. Neil

    Neil Adviser Pro Users Arkadia Adviser

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    I'm recording my instance runs to give a realistic picture of returns. I run instances periodically; I don't typically grind the same levels over and over. I try to be as eco as practical and still run through the instance fairly quickly. This basically means limiting overkill. If I was really, really careful about eco, I could probably shave off 2% from my costs, but it would slow me down more than I like. The longer I spend in an instance, the higher the chance of the server crashing or me losing my internet connection and losing all my loot, hence the need for speed. As you can see below, I use a very economical setup. I'm maxed on all tools and weapons.

    I can't promise I'll list every instance here, since sometimes it's impossible to give an accurate report (for instance, when in team or if I forget to log all the values). But if a run is excluded, it will not be because the loot TT was too high or too low. When I find a special item that sells has MU, I'll note the estimated MU, unless it's super-secret and I don't want to reveal that I got it.

    Yarrijak, Snakes: HK110
    Ubos: CAP-303 J. I use CAP-101 arctic or CAP-99R or HK110 as finisher, whichever is more appropriate
    Magurg males: CAP-303 J or Archon's sword with CAP-99R finisher
    L2: Archon's sword with CAP-99R finisher
    L6: CAP-303 J with CAP-99R finisher
    L12: CAP-303 J with CAP-99R finisher
    Boss mobs: CAP-303 J or Archon's sword

    Equipment

    SIR-20 (Beast, headshot 3, seizzt 2000L) 2.828 dpp
    CAP-303 Jungle (A104, seizzt 2000L) 2.925 dpp (2.861 after MU)
    CAP-101 Arctic (A103, seizzt 2000L) 2.966 dpp (2.94 after MU)
    CAP-99R (A101) 2.907
    HK110 2.866
    Archon's Sword 2.989 dpp

    GYRO FAP-22
    Regen chip III
    SI heart

    Adj Pixie + 5B
    Liakon/Ghost +5B
     
  2. Neil

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    Results

    [TABLE="class: grid, width: 95%"]

    [TD="align: center"]Instance[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Number logged[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Average TT return, %[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Special Items[/TD]

    [TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]80.1[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"][/TD]

    [TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]79.2[/TD]
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    [TD="align: center"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]73.4[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Golden Key Power Source[/TD]

    [TD="align: center"]4[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]75.6[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Golden Key Cog[/TD]

    [TD="align: center"]5[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]73.6[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Golden Key Interface[/TD]

    [TD="align: center"]6[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]75.9[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Lokhabu Electrifier Sword[/TD]

    [TD="align: center"]7[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]4[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]74.5[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Shagadi Disintegration Sword, Dehera Immolation Sword[/TD]

    [TD="align: center"]8[/TD]
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    [TD="align: center"]9[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"][/TD]
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    [TD="align: center"]10[/TD]
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    [/TABLE]
     
  3. Neil

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    Key 6

    [TABLE="class: grid, width: 500"]

    Costs
    TT value

    Key
    120

    Ammo and weapon decay
    477.91

    Defensive decay
    11.5

    Total Cost
    609.41




    Loot
    462.74

    2x Lokhabu Electrifier Sword
    +1000




    TT Return
    75.9%
    [/TABLE]
     
  4. Neil

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    Key 7

    [TABLE="class: grid, width: 500"]

    Costs
    TT value

    Key
    140

    Ammo and weapon decay
    622.84

    Defensive decay
    12.72

    Total Cost
    775.56




    Loot
    566.15

    Shagadi Disintegration Sword
    +1300




    TT Return
    73.0%


    [/TABLE]
     
  5. Neil

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    Key 7

    [TABLE="class: grid, width: 500"]

    Costs
    TT value

    Key
    140

    Ammo and weapon decay
    632.55

    Defensive decay
    12.53

    Total Cost
    785.08




    Loot
    582

    Dehera Immolation Sword
    +700




    TT Return
    74.1%


    [/TABLE]

    Note: the last three instances dropped unusual amounts of swords... this is not typical. I noticed that they were dropping lots of items and got in on the fun in time.
     
  6. Neil

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    Key 7

    [TABLE="class: grid, width: 500"]

    Costs
    TT value

    Key
    140

    Ammo and weapon decay
    631.31

    Defensive decay
    14.1

    Total Cost
    785.41




    Loot
    576

    Loot MU
    +0




    TT Return
    73.3%


    [/TABLE]
     
  7. Neil

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    Key 7

    [TABLE="class: grid, width: 500"]

    Costs
    TT value

    Key
    140

    Ammo and weapon decay
    634.13

    Defensive decay
    12.42

    Total Cost
    786.55




    Loot
    608.55

    Loot MU
    +0

    Arkoins
    60.1




    TT Return
    77.4%


    [/TABLE]
     
  8. Neil

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    Key 4

    [TABLE="class: grid, width: 500"]

    Costs
    TT value

    Key
    80

    Ammo and weapon decay
    225.12

    Defensive decay
    3.73

    Total Cost
    308.85




    Loot
    233.44

    4x Golden Key Cogs
    +80




    TT Return
    75.6%


    [/TABLE]
     
  9. Neil

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    Key 5

    [TABLE="class: grid, width: 500"]

    Costs
    TT value

    Key
    100

    Ammo and weapon decay
    313.09

    Defensive decay
    6.16

    Total Cost
    419.25




    Loot
    308.38

    Golden Key Interface
    +36

    Arkoins
    28.6




    TT Return
    73.6%


    [/TABLE]
     
  10. Boardian Chilix

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    have you gotten arkcoins? could you add them in data if so? ty :)
     
  11. Neil

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    Yes, I did get a few Arkoins in two of the runs; I'll add them in.
     
  12. ForrestPark

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    Hi Neil,

    Very good stats. Nice work...

    Do you think MA are simply not counting the TT cost of the key in their TT loot return calculation at the end of the instance?

    Cheers,

    Forrest :)
     
  13. Neil

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    The numbers fit for some of the instances (~2-4), but we know that the key value does count toward loot because of the Goldrush event, when players jumped down to the end, skipping all the mobs except the boss; they got loot based on the key value plus the boss. It's not an efficient way to do them (and not possible anymore) but back then the goal was speed. Plus, if key value was not counted, returns would typically be over 100% in level 1.
     
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    good data's I usually see 75-80% return as well and with the occasional uber UL item or occasional large hof the average is probably around 90% long term I figure
     
  15. Neil

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    Ignoring MU, I just can't believe it's as high as 90%. Even small HOFs are rare. In all my time I've never had one. And considering the amount of ped that's lost each time you get, say, a 75% return... a 300 ped hof in a level 7 merely brings that instance's return to 100%. You won't need just a big hof to bring the average up to 90%, you'll need an ATH.
     
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    I was saying with markup ^.^ just pure TT its a loss every time
     
  17. Neil

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    I would take that further to say that if you do your instances at the right time, yes, you can get good stuff, 100% loot return or more (after MU). Your only chance of profit or break even is with UL items like swords that can sell for high MU. Arkoins, though useful, probably aren't going to cut it, since (at the current drop rate) the MU would have to be astronomical (>1000%) to reach a long term break even point, and I just can't imagine their MU going that high. What has angered a lot of people about instances is that the drop rate of good items is erratic. For instance, running 30 or 40 high level instances in a row and getting nothing worth speaking of. So far it's been like this: one week there will be dozens of UL items dropping, then for a month, nothing at all. Maybe MA is still playing with instance loot, trying to balance it, and we will see improvements as time goes on. The past two weeks have been a very good period. I'd like to see more consistency.
     
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    Key 1

    [TABLE="class: grid, width: 500"]

    Costs
    TT value

    Key

    20


    Ammo and weapon decay

    20.14


    Defensive decay

    0.15


    Total Cost

    40.29





    Loot

    32.27


    Loot MU

    +9


    Arkoins

    22.38





    TT Return

    80.1

    [/TABLE]

    With a 140% MU for arkoins, overall is +1 ped.
     
  19. Neil

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    Key 2

    [TABLE="class: grid, width: 500"]

    Costs
    TT value

    Key

    40


    Ammo and weapon decay

    65.35


    Defensive decay

    0.58


    Total Cost

    105.93





    Loot

    83.91


    Loot MU

    +0


    Arkoins

    0





    TT Return
    79.2%


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  20. Neil

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    [TABLE="class: grid, width: 500"]

    Costs
    TT value

    Key
    60

    Ammo and weapon decay
    98.96

    Defensive decay
    3.03

    Total Cost
    161.99




    Loot
    118.82

    Loot MU (5x Power Source, Arkoins)
    +25

    Arkoins
    26.05




    TT Return
    73.4


    [/TABLE]
     

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