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Need advice. Trying my hand at maiking a Wiki. Do we need a new one?

Discussion in 'Wiki's and Other Resources' started by Matt Macca Johnson, Mar 17, 2016.

Do we need a new Wiki?

Poll closed Mar 31, 2016.
  1. Yes

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  2. No, Entropedia is fine we just need to all chip in.

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  1. Matt Macca Johnson

    Matt Macca Johnson Member

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    Hi all,
    I am writing this here as I want to gauge a response before I get myself in too deep. I have been watching and reading on the forums for some time, I have been part of EU since June 2014, I still think of myself as a noob but I think that I have enough of an idea that I will be around for as long as EU exists.

    As I was saying, I have been watching and learning and I consistently find people complaining about how old and out of date Entropedia is.

    I don't have a problem with it at my level, information wise, I do find it hard to update, but that maybe my skills.

    I read a post the other day from the person that has taken over Entropedia and it stated that if there is anyone out there that thinks they can do the same job if not better then they would hand the data over to them and let them build their own.

    Over the last two days I have started throwing some thing together, it wont help anyone except "todays Newbies" at this present time.

    but I guess what I am asking is for a general consensus that do we need a new Wiki from scratch, or do we all need to pull together and become a member of Entropedia and build what we need there?

    Here is the link to what I have built, I have a RL too, so if you feel that I am re-inventing the wheel or If you want to get on board please let me know.

    I have been using third party information off the internet, so it is not solely my work. If I have used some thing of yours and you want it removed please ask and I will comply.

    http://entropia-wikiverse.wikia.com/wiki/Entropia_Wikiverse

    I am going to leave this poll up here for 14 days to see what the responses are. I will still work on the site until the results come in.

    Cheers Macca.
     
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  2. Lizzy

    Lizzy Deactivated User

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    I have actually been thinking about it yesterday that it would actually be nice to have an Arkadia specific Wiki, like there are for other planets. In the past I made a youtube video on one of the mission chains that would work nicely with something like that. Also, I find that the entropedia wiki is lacking updates from creature loot that (especially farmers) could help on updating, also now that the loot has been changed again.

    It might actually be something you could also talk to an official about. The Arkadia team has been doing a lot in the past to help the Arkadians, and it might be something that they have been working on setting up, or could at the least help you to set up thee basics.

    All in all, if you do it, I'm happy to help once I'm back on Arkadia again. I would love to see a more specific place for arkadia information rather than to have to search all of the forums to find the answer I need.
     
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    Yes pls i apreciate it if someone will make a updated info center of some sort. I not one that can do it my self tho hehe
     
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    i've got some plans in queue about that, but i rather wanna code it myself and host it on my own server, so i can be sure it actually works 99.9% of times SLA alike.

    honestly i'm not sure if i want it to be open for everyone, as far too many deletions and changings have taken place, that were completly wrong in my opinion, and this game is alot about business, so accurate information is an outstanding advantage everytime.

    many don't think like that and don't even bother, so i realised over time that it seems over 80% of peeps are too lazy to search themselves anyways, even when information is presented on a free golden ipad tablet.

    so tell me, is it really worth all your work/time in your opinion? all available platforms seem crap, in my opinion... :facepalm3:
     
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    ouch. My eyes hurt from seeing so many advertisements on the page you linked to above... If you are going to do something like this, I suspect the community won't support it too much if they have to look at all those damn ads every time they go on the site to take a look at something.
     
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  7. Matt Macca Johnson

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    I do agree that the advertising is a distraction but it is only way that it doesn't cost the earth to support. I am testing it out on a free platform with ads at the moment. There may be avenue to move to a private server down the track.
     
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  8. Matt Macca Johnson

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    Yeah I am not sure about its status either. I forgot about that post. It has not been updated since Nov 2015. But I hope he is still going at it. I am thinking bigger, like the universe big. But it is going to take a long time.
     
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    I've had similar ideas and so has probably every other player with some software development background. Trouble is, everything depends on community efforts to gather and enter all the data, and keep at it as new content comes out. This works as long as there is a single address known to everybody, and has to be done only once for each item. Feeding multiple projects with the same input again and again is probably not something which is sustainable in the long run. We have Entropedia (still number one despite its known problems) and the info sections in all of the planet partners' community forums.

    I have another idea. The Entropedia database has been made available to enable new developments. See this thread:
    http://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?282556-Entropedia-Database-Dump

    But every spin-off will have the same problem of requiring separate updating from there on. Therefore I suggest to somehow get organized and agree on using a single centralized address where to maintain all the raw data. Projects can then always draw from there for whatever visualization they wish to create. A collection of Google Spreadsheets comes to mind, since it doesn't cost extra money. And I think it is easier to work with for this kind of data than a Wiki format. Everything works out of the box incl. a permission system to control who can edit. But maybe someone knows an even better place.
     
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  10. Matt Macca Johnson

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    San,
    I think you have made the decision for me. I have very little knowledge of software development, but I am keen to learn some things in this realm.
    I now know that more advanced people in this field are trying the same thing and I have no chance of being the first to get an acceptable level project out to the world. I will still muck around with the free wiki I have started, just for hobby sake. But I don't think I will advertise it to the world any more.

    Cheers Macca.
     
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  11. San

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    Aw, that I didn't mean to. I was merely suggesting to try and get us all to pull on the same rope for the common core of all these projects, so it will be easier for everybody who likes to create something. I was myself discouraged when I read about Forgo's efforts, for whom I have great respect, but whose level of dedication I cannot match. If we had a structure that allowed specialization without everybody having to do everything from scratch, a lot more would be possible I'm sure.
     
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    I don't mind the adverts, price you pay for free hosting, and you can always install an adblocker.

    I made http://toulan.wikia.com/wiki/Toulan_Wikia using the same site, which can be linked if you like?
     
  14. Mathias | Arkadia

    Mathias | Arkadia The Chief Whip Staff Member PAF Administrator Planet Arkadia Official

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