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Mining Finders still bugged - cannot combine TH/Ore/Enmatter in same run

Discussion in 'Bug Reports' started by chevrons, May 30, 2012.

  1. chevrons

    chevrons Member

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    A message to Arkadia Developers

    Mining Finders have been bugged for a year now, making it nearly impossible for all but new miners to combine bomb types in a single run. Every change of finder requires 2 extra clicks compared with before the finders were redesigned.

    Most miners have different skill levels, meaning they have to use different finders for each type. This is particularly true of Treasure Hunting.

    I haven't been able to combine Ore and Enmatter for a year now, and I can't combine TH with either now.

    MA have known about this since the redesign, but haven't fixed it. Kim acknowledged it last June. (The solution is obvious - a finder has to remember what it was last used for).

    Why didn't you see this in your testing? (I checked it out in 5 minutes again yesterday).

    Why didn't you insist MA fix this before you released TH?
     
  2. Lee DeLioncourt

    Lee DeLioncourt Arkadian Outrider Platinum Member

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    Moved this over to the Bugs Forum, better place for devs to see. My apologies that your original postings got bogged down in the auto moderation system, any new member must have at least 6 posts on PAF in order to post links (this is to help fight spammers). You have now reached the needed number of posts so feel free to edit and add your links if you like.
     
  3. harmony

    harmony Active Member Pro Users

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    Really, why do you assume it's a bug?
    You aren't as skilled in one profession, so you can't use a certain tool for that profession? If you ask me it makes total sense. Either skill more in a profession you are lacking, or use a lower level finder.

    Maybe you aren't making you point clearly enough. I think your main problem is that you want to use two different finders, and have to adjust what you are searching for each time you select another finder? In that case it would be a wish you want to have implemented and not a bug that has been around for years.
     
  4. KikkiJikki

    KikkiJikki Well-Known Member Pro Users

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    But I agree it would be nice if ur finder remembered its last setting.
     
  5. chevrons

    chevrons Member

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    Any miner with even moderately high existing skills needs 2 (or 3) finders. Why do MA have a system which prevents skilled miners from mixing all 3 bomb types in one run? (by making it practically impossible to change finders).

    This isn't a bug which has been around for years - it was introduced in the botched redesign of the finders in May 2011. I sent a Support Case at the time, and Kim acknowledged it in a thread on EntropiaForum in June 2011. You may recall all the other bugs which had to be hurriedly fixed, and which demonstrated that the person assigned to the task had little previous knowledge of mining.

    Read the Arkadia Update notice - they advertise combining TH with Ore/Enmatter. Well I can't, and nor can most other miners.

    To the Mods - sorry if I sometimes sound annoyed - I've been cursing at MA's ineptitude for a year now, and for them not to fix this before TH is just unbelievable.
     
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    on the OF-105, i max out the 3. Don't use your max finder;p
     
  7. harmony

    harmony Active Member Pro Users

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    Just saying that you should specify your problem a bit better if you expect results. The more i read it the more i seem to understand that your main problem isn't that you can't use one finder, but that the game doesn't remember what your search settings on a specific finder you had.

    If this is the case (have no idea since i only use one finder all the time) then i agree that it is very annoying and something should be done.

    If you bring that point across you have a better chance of developers listening. The way it came across to me was that you were annoyed that you couldn't use your max finder on all three options at the same time because your treasure hunting skill wasn't high enough.
     
  8. TimUnleashed

    TimUnleashed Forum Official Pro Users

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    I think you've got a solid point there harmony. As I understand it (from asking another miner what chevrons is saying), the issue is this:

    "It would be great if you could re-equip a specific finder and it remembered what resources to search for, from the last time you used it."

    If you use different finders for different situations then it follows that the lack of such a feature would have become annoying at the instant in time where the different resources all became available from every finder.

    Chevrons can you please confirm whether or not this is the issue, or whether I'm missing the point?

    If I'm not missing the point, then I agree with harmony, and think this would be more of a wishlist item than a bug report (notwithstanding that I can understand chevron's frustration).
     
  9. chevrons

    chevrons Member

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    I think you have understood now.

    Except it is not a matter of whether I wish to use different Finders - I HAVE to use different finders because my Profession levels are so far apart, and this is the case for all experienced miners who want to combine TH with Ore/Enmatter. Why should I use an F-105 for all 3 when I've spent years getting the skills to use a VRX2000 for Ore?

    As for expressing myself more clearly, I can assure you that MA understood perfectly well from my Support Cases, and from the discussions last year what I meant.

    Here is the thread from last year where Kim acknowledges the bug (and yet nothing was done).

    http://www.entropiaforum.com/forum/ask-mindark/200041-when-will-mining-finders-fixed.html

    My Prospector is Lvl 40, my Surveyor is 22, so I haven't been able to do mixed runs of Ore/Enmatter for a year now, which is very frustrating. And now TH is much lower, and mixed runs will be frustrating for many more miners (and obviously the more experienced who are the ones who want to drop lots of bombs).

    And let me repeat - I'm not asking MA to change something they designed - the fact is they didn't design this at all - they simply botched the combination of finder types, didn't understand how miners might use the new finders, and then ignored the protests. I want them to finish doing the redesign they started.
     
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