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Kiana Loot bugged?

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous Discussion' started by chevrons, Jan 1, 2014.

  1. chevrons

    chevrons Member

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    I've played long enough to have seen many threads about bad loot, but over the past few weeks I've had it bad enough myself to resort to submitting a Support Case.

    I would like you to investigate the Loot algorithm for Kiana on Planet Arkadia.I have now killed over 800 as part of the 1200 mission, and have had just 2 small globals. I have also not had many high loots which were not globals, making the overall return very low.
    I have spent over 3000 Ped over 8 sessions, so I think this is a sufficiently large sample size to conclude that there must be something wrong with the loot. I have previously killed a lot of other mobs on Arkadia of similar size, as well as on Calypso, and this return is far below those returns.
    I see from the statistics on Entropia Life that the overall number of globals on Kiana in the last month is very low, which is perhaps due to few players hunting them, but which could also indicate the loot is faulty.
    I have played over 6 years and am Level 62, so I am used to periods of bad loot, but this is extraordinarily bad.

    If this is not a bug, then everyone should be very worried that their Ped can disappear so fast. And not a good advertisement for Arkadia either. I await a reply from MA.
     
  2. Gewitter

    Gewitter Active Member

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    Only stop killing it for week-two, when the loot is bad.
    My last 500-pedder session (about 1-2 weeks ago) was ended with profit.
    As example: each Kadra session last month was with bad loot for me. Dont see anythig extraordinary with Kiana here.
    Solution is easy. Stop grinding!
     
  3. chevrons

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    Losing 150 Ped from 400 Ped ammo in each of 8 sessions spread over 2 weeks is worse than extraordinary - it is unacceptable.
    Solution is not just stop grinding, it is stop playing.
     
  4. Gewitter

    Gewitter Active Member

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    Nope, the same situation on Kadra for me (about 50-60% return), but Oratans for example - very good (about 90-95% return). Just change the mob!
     
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    cute781217 Active Member Pro Users

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    Isn't it quite normal for this size of mob that seldom being hunted? You would always need globals to bring your return up to 90% or higher, but the problem of Kiana is very few of it being hunted on a daily basis, so it is hard to generate globals from them hence the average return often be worse, especially the size of your run is tiny. So nothing wrong I would say.
     
  6. chevrons

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    Another blank run, so I've looked back at my missions on Ark over the last 4 months. These are the number of globals on mobs of similar size
    Kiana 900 2
    Oweko 1200 5
    Scoria 400 10
    Teladon 400 8
    Kadra 400 6
    Madana (big) 400 7
    Riptor 400 3
    Huon 400 8
    Otorugi 400 2
    Kiana 400 1
    Beladoth 400 9
    Oweko 400 1

    I see I had only 1 global in September on 400 Kiana, so that makes 1300 for just 3 globals, a decent sample size for that size of mob. Actually it doesn't matter if the cause is a separate loot pool (which I don't believe) or a bugged loot algorithm, the evidence here is bad for MA's image, as well as my wallet.
     
  7. Gewitter

    Gewitter Active Member

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    Perhaps you will laugh, but I would recommend that you try Hadraada (high maturity), Bokol (high maturity) and maybe Oratan Miners (low maturity). Recommended dps ~ 40
    Recommended session duration at least ~ 700-1000 PED each day. Write all your results for 1 month.
    I think you'll be surprised.
     
  8. chevrons

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    this thread isn't about improving my return - it's about bad loot on Kiana.

    so please go and kill 1000 Kiana, and then report the result here.
     
  9. Jenny ferr

    Jenny ferr Well-Known Member Pro Users

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    I have killed ~2000 Kiana Young-Prov/Domi since September(plenty before that), and the only change I see is the loot distribution MindArk done across the Universe this year.
    Less globles(which suck) but not any major changes to the overall loots
     
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    i think the mining loot is bugged if something...
     
  11. Gewitter

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    Now i'm on 1940 of 4800 with no problems.
    So i have completed summary: 75, 400, 1200 and 1940 = 3600 Kianas with 72 globals, between 50 and 800 PED. This means one global each 50 killed Kiana.
    Therefore this topic is about your bad return.
     
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    im around same amount of killed kianas with only 37 globals which brings me to 1/100 ratio for globals.. and what ive noticed on em is that u might get 3 globals within 50 kills and then 500 kills without a single global.. but for me kianas seem to give more big loots than other mobs tho.. but for me like it took over 800 or something kills of riptors before scoring first global on em
     
  13. chevrons

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    I'm grateful for the comparison. So I have killed 1400 for 4 globals, and you have killed 3600 and got 72. I assume you are also killing the Young - Provider W of Harrier.
    i've killed 100 in each of 14 sessions, about 400 Ped each session, which should be statistically large enough.
    So the difference is massive, not explainable by either my hunting method or equipment. Either the loot algorithm is truly bizarre, or MA have been adjusting it at the different times we were hunting.
    My Support Case has simply been closed, but at least they said they had passed it to the balancing team. it would be interesting to know however what the Arkadia team think about such sustained bad loot on one of their mobs. I've also done about 20 Arkas Keys, with a loss on each, so I agree with others who have said they are also bugged.
    i've just got another 200 Kiana to go for my 1200, then I shall be returning to Calypso.
     
  14. Jenny ferr

    Jenny ferr Well-Known Member Pro Users

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    Since you now speak about loot and not only number of globles, may I ask what your return % was/is on them?
     
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    I said in my first post that I was not getting many minis. I haven't kept a record, but I was losing about 150 Ped on each run without a global, and maybe 50 on those with. So on 400 Ped costs for each run, that is a return of about 70%. So just as bad an indicator of something wrong with the loot system as the lack of globals.
    it is this high rate of loss however which has meant my runs were spread out over several weeks, which makes them statistically more valid.
     
  16. Gewitter

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    In my 3600 was about 50% of Provider-Stalker, and 50% of Young-Provider. This is different spawns, and in high maturity spawn i had slightly better results. Balancing loot is not a job for A-Team, but for MA only. Currently your low results caused because now running Merry Mayhem, all players are there, no players on Kiana, so return will be bad. Overall hunting return is reduced during these events. I recommend you stop hunting Kiana, and start again after 12th january.
     
  17. Cyborg Bill

    Cyborg Bill Well-Known Member Pro Users

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    You can save yourselves a WHOLE lot of problems by researching the forums here , PCF, Entropia planets..
    This time of year returns turn to ass to fund mayhem. Its a historical fact. The complaints come loot has changed every year starting the end of November into mid January. This year they started end of October consistently thru now since they added another never ending event for Halloween mayhem over there.

    Read the threads before you all start calling conspiracy on me.. its historical fact. A week after Mayhem is over loot will return to semi normalcy until the next events start.
     
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