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It would be great...........

Discussion in 'Wishlist' started by Milena, Dec 25, 2010.

  1. Milena

    Milena Adviser Pro Users Arkadia Adviser

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    i wish Arkadia would start with a good working infrastructure, this means place or hire some really honest trader to buy stuff from the people to usual prices and sell maybe (L) weapons, armor like apis and martial and so on....... without horrible MU....that would be a help to stay on arkadia and it is cheaper as the auction with the transportfee.....
    It should not be an "event" like other planets try...it should be a really "tradingzone" or whatever........
    I think after a while , maybe a half year, some normal trader are established, the prices will be solid and the whole trading would run normaly......
    Dont know if you can make it but i know some people who come back from another planet because they cant sell to good prices and they cant buy stuff without the transport fee.......

    only my 2pec :)
     
  2. harmony

    harmony Active Member Pro Users

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    hmm, i like the idea. Allthough i don't think the planet should place a trader there. But maybe make trading easier, maybe assign a place as , a trading area, with a tp everyone has. If the place gets known well enough, there will ne enough people selling, and traders will shop up for the profits.

    Also i always imagined having my own trade terminal, where i can put my own buy prices. So i can place my terminal at this area. Set it to buy all (or specific) hunting/mining loot at 101% (for example) and let it keep buying it, till my ped card is empty. That way people can get peds fast, and crafters can get cheaper ingredients.
     
  3. Milena

    Milena Adviser Pro Users Arkadia Adviser

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    This is a good idea too...:)
    The reason for my idea is that the most trader in the first time try to sell things with to high MU and buy for to less Mu.......because they are not enough trader around
    when the market is solid i have the choice between more trader and can search for the best deal........
     
  4. Cyborg Bill

    Cyborg Bill Well-Known Member Pro Users

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    Well Melina, unlike the other planets I believe that ALL things needed for a functioning economy will be in place when Arkadia is first opened. This has been discussed in other posts that there will be a neeed from the start for crafters, miners, and hunters from the start.

    ND / MA has lagged in getting that all in place which has really hurt the growth on that planet to the point I think others will pass it by quickly if they come out of the gate with that all in tact from day one.

    Yes there will alaways be a need for traders but less so if a functioning economy is in place for people to actually work with. They will be "part" of the economy like on Calypso. Not "The" Economy" like RT.
     
  5. Fox

    Fox Member

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    Hm, true, but...

    Miners and Hunter will mostly find the stuff they'll find on Calypso too. So, there will be no own Markup, even if Lyst is very rare on Arkadia and Dunkel Plastix is very common. Because the auction data and with this the Markup is "universal", but there are much more active players on Calypso, so this data will be valid everywhere.

    On NextIsland you can find Crystals, but there is the problem, that there are no BPs for it yet. Hell, Next Island is empty! Just some animals and TPs. So, how is there a working economy possible? Look into the auction - most Crystals are sold on Calypso for lunatic prices!

    So, for an own economy, at the start there have to be BPs available and the fitting, Arkadia exclusive ores, enmatter and stuff.
    To make it easier, maybe it would make sense to use the components we already have as a basis. So we can use the existing ressources AND get some crafters starting as soon as possible. Especially, if some "cool" Arkadia stuff needs just one or two easy available parts from Arkadia itself, looted from animals. So the hunters will provide the first exclusive ressources, what just takes some hours. The miners, IF there are exclusive ores, will take maybe one or two days, until they can deliver constantly.

    So... Let the balancing guys go at work soon! And PLEASE give out some un(L) BPs, so the crafters can start directly and loot others. Not like Rocktropia, where some hunters get the BPs and sell them for lunatic prices to the crafters.
     
  6. Larkin

    Larkin Platinum Member Staff Member PAF Senior Mod Platinum Member

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    Exactly.

    I really want a fully "working" planet to be released. ROCKtropia and NI have failed as they weren't completely done before launching. I don't want Arkadia to follow in their footsteps. To be successful at launch, everything needs to be ready to go. All the ingredients must be there for Arkadia's own economy to start right as it launches.
     
  7. harmony

    harmony Active Member Pro Users

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    While discussing new blueprints, it would be a nice idea that the ingredients have stuff you can buy from a trade terminal too. Like the enhancers for example, because a part of the ingredients has no markup, it is easier for crafters to keep crafting and pay the markup on the looted stuff.
     
  8. Fox

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    I don't know, if it is possible, but a good way would be to have ammo made by crafters. Let's say we have special Arkadia weapons, is it possible, that it uses special ammo? Cheap to produce and low Markup.

    So beginners can start with it, because they need just ressources from TT and/or some very common stuff? Not much win in it, but a good start for beginners? Best would be ammo for cheap weapons in the lower and maybe even the middle class. Let's say you do it the right way and the ammo will cost about 102-105%, but has cool visual effects AND you need weapons with low Markup for it. Then, the beginners can skill with it and there will be fast enough on the market.

    This way, you can get a lively crafting and healthy trading in place. ;)
     
  9. Cyborg Bill

    Cyborg Bill Well-Known Member Pro Users

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    This topic of "Crafted Ammo" has been discussed before on the other forum. The debate went on and on but it was determined to be a fail just like having to eat would be. MU on necessity items will be a MAJOR fail for any economy. What weapons to use is the players choice. The need for ammo in the weapons is not. Id feel the same for crafted bombs and probes. The added cost could not be trusted to always be an advantage to paying the extra as we see now in many many things MA has done now under this premise.

    I am not sure that having tt items in bp's is all that smart either. Look at what it costs to click enhancers. Since they need the tt item it starts at over 1 ped per click just for the tt item. I dont see a cost like that advantageous to any economy, specially for new crafters.

    Lastly we all know that having bp's, hunting rog and planet specific ore / en's in place from day one is a MUST. I am sure See learned from RT not having them in place for release yet they dont have bp's yet either. I am not sure at this point who's fault this lies on. Its hard to say if it is the new devs for these planets or if it is MA holding back its competition intentionally to keep the advantage on Calypso while they still own it.

    Only time will tell but I am sure this platform will crumble to dust if Arkadia is released with out these necessities in place as that WILL confirm MA's inability to balance let alone manage more then one planet at a time.
     
  10. David | Arkadia

    David | Arkadia Administrator Staff Member PAF Administrator Planet Arkadia Official

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    You can be sure that Planet Arkadia will launch with an economy ready to go. We'll be sharing more and more of what's coming over the next few months.

    Always keen to hear your ideas on what it takes to kickstart the economy. We don't plan on acting as traders in the economy, we feel the players can do that if we provide all necessary tools. We won't be doing crafted ammo, with ammo from the TT players have a constant cost that they can rely on and no hassle to grab anytime they need it.
     
  11. Larkin

    Larkin Platinum Member Staff Member PAF Senior Mod Platinum Member

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    Perfect. Glad to hear that the economy will be ready to go for Arkadia off the start.

    :)
     
  12. harmony

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    It doesn't have to have a tt value of 1 ped, it can have any value they'd like. When enhancers came out i crafted them a lot. Residue was up at 110% and the new blueprints still sold for markup. I made a lot of hunters/miners happy with the markups i paid for the resources, and i was able to do that because back then the % cost to make the enhancers was low thanks to the empty enhancers from tt, so with the residue and blueprints i was close to breaking even.
     
  13. Cyborg Bill

    Cyborg Bill Well-Known Member Pro Users

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    I am glad you made out well with them Harmony. Two factors however you do not account for in your reply. 1st and foremost you are not a new player and 1ped per base item is not a real set back to you. To a new player 1 ped is a big chunk just to click a button once. Second is that since MA DID put them in tt for such a high price and people STILL bought into this ped drain they surely will not be ready to jump at lowering prices to help a new player get started.

    I really dont mean to keep slamming the game at every point I make in threads but its history and how it repeats doe not allow rational thought to think things will change in the future. In Fact I see things digressing even further as we go thru time. Hopefully the Arkadian team as current players can out think MA and work around these devious tactics they use and force a little change some how. Simple things like NOT making BP's need a tt base item that can be exploited like they did with the enhancer one is a good start. Then again in the end MA is coding it all and deciding what gets in and what stays out only tells me they will continue on as they do currently.
     
  14. harmony

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    Nothing wrong with slamming the game once in a while, especially if you have valid points. But like i said in my reply the tt value doesn't have to be one ped. They can but stuff in there of 1 pec too. I'd like to believe that Arkadia can have their own stuff in their trade terminals. It might even be a smart idea for them to have some low tt low markup blueprints in there that will make a lot of people skill crafting up there. With the current lyst and oil prices, basic filters isn't a really nice start these days.

    I still have hopes for MA, after all they also allowed those rookie bombs/probes in the trade terminal :)
     
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    I'm pretty sure the Arkadia team learned from the 2 planets that launched this year and they see the need of a good economy even more then they did before. So I have no doubt that this planet will be much better right from the start. The only thing that could screw it up is MA and how they do stuff. I really hope that some how the planet partners combined can make a fist against MA and force some stuff once in a while.
     
  16. Cyborg Bill

    Cyborg Bill Well-Known Member Pro Users

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    We ALL have been hoping this since the birth of new planets. I just hope my monitor does not crack from the sonic boom when MA's head finally pops out its ass and teleports back into reality. Hopefully history in EU will NOT repeat itself eternally as if the Devil himslef were chairman of the board.
     

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