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Is Planet Arkadia Sweating?

Discussion in 'Ask an Adviser' started by Ty Williams, Jun 13, 2011.

  1. Ty Williams

    Ty Williams Member

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    Mainly wanted to know if Sweat is needed here?? Which I know it is but I don't see sweaters here often.. it seems calypso would be the main supplier of sweat.. I think as far as sweat we here on arkadia should try to become self-reliant.. what does everyone else believe??
     
  2. Suu Miles

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    Well... we got cars, boats, helis and lots of other stuff to get us from A to B. Doubt there is much demand for sweat. People who have moved to Arkadia for good have prolly brought a lot storage items over, I sure did, like 2 mil me and I got much more left on Caly. Not that I will really need it.

    So I guess we don't need it, I for sure will only buy sweat from new players who have spawned here, and only to support them, not for the actual sweat :whistle:
     
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  3. Ty Williams

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    Cool I was just wondering.. I kinda figured that but I had some good ideas for sweaters but that was on caly.. arkadia seems more populated by vets.. so thx sir
     
  4. Ty Williams

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    So If I was to Start a Way For new Players to Enjoy the Planet Using the Sweat would it Be A Waste of time??
     
  5. Cyborg Bill

    Cyborg Bill Well-Known Member Pro Users

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    I think with more incomming new players and the addition tof different mobs once current bugs are worked out tha a sweatiing faction will emerge here as well as on Caly. MA killed it all wen they changed to need for sweat baed mind essence to nearly nothing. Hopefully Arkadia will add new MF requireing at least a small boost to the ME producing section of the economy.. for now sweat and force nexus is virtually worthless and only hurts the mining community that much more then it already has with the devaluation of the entire profession.
     
  6. Ty Williams

    Ty Williams Member

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    Thx CYborg BiLL For the Insight
    I think my main Concern, would be to Keep the "New Player".. I Have Faith in David's Team So i think between him and MA the MF Will pick up in the Future.. But, With The the "New Player" Feeling It Is free to Enjoy EU and Get Here and Realize that u have to "Like" EU in order to decide to depo in EU.. I would like to get in to providing some type entertainment or service.. We all know 2peds per K isnt enough to do much.. at all.. The Service isnt promising Ped, But Just Some type of Entertainment Amongst other New Players and would be great for Vets to get in volved.. This Is More about Making the little Tool MA Gives Players a little more Worth Using..

    But Overall, I Do understand What your Sayin Cyborg Bill..

    Do have another Question.. What Would Happen if MA Seen Sweating Was Happening more Now then Before? Any Ideas or Guesses..
    One More Question: Because MA is Always Mentioning Balance, Should We Worry About Newplayers Joining At All??

    Me Personaly i think more will Come to Play if their Were More Players.. Please "Feed Me InPut"
    THx Guys
    -ILLz
     
  7. Cyborg Bill

    Cyborg Bill Well-Known Member Pro Users

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    MA actully should love the sweaters. There are several reasons that make me think this. First if a person is persistant enough to sweat long term for the crappy return that tells me they will probably be a long term players. Even players who do not deposit add to the EU economy. There is not a single player in this game that can avoid decaying something at some point no matter how they pay to do it. That is MA's only concern.

    Even if a person only sweats and does nothing else they still help the economy. The sweat they are able to sell gets cycled down the road by someone decaying something. If that same person were to make a living selling the defense skills while sweating they still add to the economy by shedding 10% of what was chiped, the decay of the chipping tool both for the seller and the buyer. Possibly an auction fee generated for the sale of an ESI and or the skill chip itself. If that non depositor gets lucky enough to stash ped for a withdrawl MA gets a processing feee for them to remove that money so really MA "Could" be making money hand over fist off non depositing sweaters IF they took time to think and set the system up for that to happen. So how ever underrated sweat is .. it is a viable source of income and I think MA was foolish for making the change to use it less. In essence they sorta cut their own throat. Recently they only focus on big dollars as fast as possible which is in my opinion a huge buisness mistake.

    As far as new players.. they equal potential investors in the future of EU as a whole. More people contributing no matter what the scale can only help the economy. It boils down in the end to how well MA manages that all and whether they want the fast buck or want to keep long term people recyling the ped by any means. Currently they seem to be short sighted and greedy.

    As far as balance.. you would have to be here long term to decipher "MA Speak".. by balance they mean a maximum of money coming into their pockets for the least effort. They make no changes until the minimum acceptance level of that amount is has been reached before they make a change. if too many people leaveand that income reaches a minimum they throw a bone to the public to spike that return for them. When that dies off they throw another bone. The bones are enticing less and less people and generating less and less results. This is why we see so much junk getting added to the game to temporarily spike the return instead of them fixing what is broken and reagaining the player base they once had at the same time growing addtions to that.

    Arkadia has given them the oppertunity to turn that way of doing buisness around. I see many names playing here on Arkadia that have not been seen in years. This tells me there is something they see that is good enough for them to return. Sadly tho we are seeing MA letting that chance slide into oblivion by not adapting to try and keep this trend flowing.
     
  8. KikkiJikki

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    Arkadia PP has said it is not marketing this planet as free to play. It is targeting depositing customers. The implication is there is much less emphasis on sweating. Fine with me.

    I use ME to tp around but really its not a lot of effort to pick up a bunch whenever I am back on Calypso.

    It's easy to get a feel for the game by depositing just a little. And really it's more indicative than playing for free by sweating for hours upon end.

    Regards,
    KikkiJikki
     
  9. Teiwaz

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    Any serious hunter is using TP chips to come back to mob that critted. Going by vehicles is simply not a good option, unless really small mob and very close to revive.
    Sure we have loads ME with us but finally it will finish.
    Instead paying for sweat from other planets [not to mention 'planets' where sweat was mined in huge quantities] we could support local newbies!

    I agree tho that MA somehow killed sweating by introduction of Synthetic ME...
     
  10. John BD

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    yeah i use it when i have to return when killed by a crit too, im sure its gotta be more then once a month :D rest i do chopper/car.
     
  11. Bluebard

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    I use TP chip almost exclusively. Imo it's much easier and quicker than using vehicle. While a lot of people no longer use chips, a market (no matter how small) still exists for sweat. Over time, we will see sweating groups popping up around the planet.
     
  12. Suu Miles

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    I use tp chips a lot too when hunting but when I talk to the sweaters I know from healing at neas back in the day, they got shitloads of sweat stashed up, think 500k was the highest... just don't see all that being used up for the market to go up again and make sweating worthwile for new people here :confused:
     
  13. Telgard

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    Plus if Kadraada stay slow.. an active sweater can sweat a lot more here on Arkadia than they could on Calypso making it really difficult for the price to ever increase without some serious usage. Like continual use MF powers or other items that require ME.
     
  14. Ty Williams

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    OK KikkiJikki
    Thx For the Reply, Im Sure we all know and Agree With You About Where or who this Planet is Targeted at.. But we Need to Respect the Idea of the Entropia Universe and the fact Is, Is that its Free. Thats It.. We Can Tell people how to play, what to do, and all, but players will play as they Please.. Now, I am a Proud Depositer and i Tell others To Deposit if they Ask.. Now on another Note, Arkadia is Getting New players Everyday And Who Knows How They Got THere..

    Exactly, Arkadia Has Plenty of Potential to provide it self with its on ME, We Just Gota find the Nexus..

    But Like i said before.. this whole Thread is more About giving New Players Something Cool to Do With the Sweat.. Something Cool i mean.. well.. Ill get to that..

    Ok Thanx And Cyborg Bill for that Input Sir in Post #7 ;)

    Now.. Heres The Idea.. I Would Call it Speed Sweating For The Ones That Can Do It.. Im Not a Vet ive only been here For a little Under a year But For people that have been playing longer than the Person that has Just Signed up(As Your Reading This) This Would be a Good way To "Start" Your Mentoring, or Provide Your Helping Hand to the New player Community(Regardless of who this planet Or Universe is Targeted to)

    All of our Cars, Boats, and VtoLs.. Can Be Set to Let Someone Else Drive.. And Can Be Set to Be Pulled Back to your Inventory Correct? Without Actually Putting the Car in the Persons Inventory..

    Im Thinking..
    If We Offer a renting Service..
    Example:
    To Drive:
    Valk Mk1-25 sweat
    Hummers-50 Sweat Or 15 Sweat Per Passenger( All Set to drive or Ride)
    Boat-60 Sweat
    Vtol- 100 Sweat

    Now.. With this it would Set a new Market for sweat, And allow New players to Really Get a Demo of What they Can Do Here.. It would Allow For New Players To Really Explore the Planet and enjoy the Scenes, With out just Watching Everyone else Do it(Even tho Me Watching Every else is what Got me to Depo)

    Now if your Worried About Decay.. Dont Do it

    But From What Some of us "Look" to be here($$$-BallAz-$$$) Decay and Oil Should Not Be that Much of an Issue.. And think about What else All this Effects

    We Gain More Players-We Gain More Possible Depositers

    Now im not Sayin you use My Sweat Quanites to rent out Vehicles But im just Throwing the Idea Out..

    Thx For the Responses and Thx For Reading

    -ILLz
     
  15. Stave Petty

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    Just to avoid misinformation, synthetic mind essence didn't reduce the demand for mind essence in anyway, simply because barely anyone, other than those few that used them and threw money away, used the chips other than tp because the mark up made it much more Eco to use non mind force versions.

    I won't get off topic explaining what caused the crash.

    All ill say is eventually a sweat camp will no doubt form.
     
  16. Ty Williams

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    HEy Stave
    its Coo To Go Off topic, im Really tryin to learn as much as i can about the Whole Sweat System So no Worries on Venturing off Subject... and your Right A sweat camp will form.. But Since ive joined EU i just havnt been able to Figure out why Sweat is Important But Its Not.. and what i mean is, you get a Sweat Machine Free But Its Almost Thrown Out there to Be Worthless.. There has to be a Way to Utilize the Sweat System.. Especially Now that im reading the Mobs have Gotten Stronger Here, And Space is Coming And All the Stuff Going On, im just trying to Find Away to use the Almost Most Worthless System That is Provided Free
     
  17. Faye

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    here is the thing abot sweating on arkadia. I kinda figured it out myself and help from David.

    but arkadia isnt promoted as free it is promoted as fun game where you can choose your own amount of money you wanna spend. It is also old mindset that we basically are going to find a sweat spot. Frankly no PP wants sweaters they cost money and dont get income. Sure a trail okay but deposit 10 buck and you can play longer then any other FPS out there that cost 50 bucks. Do it right and you might end up with profit even.

    So hence there is no good sweatspot and we should focus more on the paying newbie. And after years of mentoring and guiding it is the pay noob that sticks around not the sweating one.
     
  18. Stave Petty

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    The reasons the prices have fallen is down to a number of things, firstly, a sweat exploit before vu10 allowed people to sweat mobs and get unlimited sweat without being attacked, this Ofc flooded supply. Resellers have always fead newbies misinformation to allow them to buy low and sell high, newbies regularly make the mistake of thinking if I sell for 1 ped/k rather than 5 ped/k it'll sell faster. Limited demand Ofcourse. It's basically a clusterfuck of issues that lead to a eventual crash of the market.

    Now planet partners are working on increasing demand, RT BP'S use sweat, and I've received word that sds are looking at it very seriously on how to resolve that issue to address a current problem with a certain incentive to abuse the no multiple avatar rule and affect their economy.

    There is good reason for pp's to fix the sweat market. And in the end, someone's gotta depo to buy it, and a lot of the time it gets new players to the point they depo.

    I have had a idea on how to make it less booring and improve gameplay, but I'm going to reserve those ideas for after this important market has been repaired


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    FYI Faye, the sweat system gave me time to try Eu out till the point I understood the depo mindset and began playing, took me a few weeks, never looked back.
     
  19. Faye

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    Well old players remember the sweat cap still so at one moment you where forced to depo or find some other source of income.. The sweat market has now more supply then demand making it failing. PPl tend to give solutions like sweat as fuel (still cracks me up) or in BPs which was rather smart move . But ppl can still sweat only arkadia didnt designed it this way. But then again maybe a future LA owner will make a sort of Nea Place. In all the community creates it own stuff and most attempt by developers creating a sweatcamp failed ( look at swamp camp for example now)

    I started depoing after I meet my mentor. I quickly figured out and tested the game with 10 bucks ( I do spend more then that on a happy meal at the mac donalds) so one day skipping fancy food and I could do more and fell in love with the game.

    Most newbies I taught where depoers and they turned out fine =). I always tell them depoing starts your game and sweating will cost you more on electricty and times then that 10 bucks.
     
  20. Ty Williams

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    Ok like I stated before.. the point of this would be strictly for letting the new player get a feel of the game.. I depo'd within the first 10minutes of playing the game I couldn't do the sweating and I was solo for a bit.. now there is no real benefit in this, imean how many people would I need to loan out cars to to really be able to profit off of it... and really it could be profitable with alot of patients... but its not about profit.. what I run into alot is if their is no vets standing around where the new players go then they find there self trying to sweat and can't or they wanna make money and can't or they find out how expensive it really is and decide to play playstation Bcuz in a long run playing black ops is a hell of alot cheaper with a dedicated fan base.. so the idea is to get the player To depo... provide a service to let them explore and see the world for a limited time and let them decide themselves on rather Entropia Universe Is for them.. like you said some know this is for them.. but some just know its a RCE and its free to play which means "ooo I can make money".. I understand why planet arkadia was made.. but this isn't just about arkadia.. Arkadia im sure is getting new players daily and some of us vets can catch And mentor them into the depo game.. plus, some are just gamers that are lookin for The Point and fast.. so im just offering a taste of The Point, to allow them to eventually get a chance at Getting The Point..

    -ILLz
     

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