I never said that if you spend 50k ped on level 13 amps will get you success in mining. If that's what you got from my statement, you deeply misunderstood. Obsessing over the hof list, grabbing the biggest amps you can find, and visiting hell could very well be the fastest way to lose big money in the game. Well... accidentally listing your privateer deed instead of a CLD works too. Hofs for me are very rare... globals are rare too. While I love to get them, I try to profit without them as much as possible. I also do not generally carpet-bomb areas mindlessly, and I don't go exclusively for high MU ores. Gear, skills, game knowledge are all crucial to success in mining. Neither do I cheat while mining (how do one "cheat" while mining anyway??). Yet I still profit. I don't try to make a living at it, but I don't have to keep depositing to keep the ball rolling (not with mining... hunting is a different story). Not everyone can profit (obviously)... but it's also obvious that some do. I guess this has drifted somewhat off-topic.