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ASA and ASF combat training

Discussion in 'SocTalk' started by Neil, Jul 2, 2011.

  1. Neil

    Neil Adviser Pro Users Arkadia Adviser

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    ASA Arkadia Space Agency (Soc)
    ASF Arkadia Star Fleet

    ASA and ASF will be holding space combat training sessions for the pilots (and gunners) in those organizations. In order to defend ourselves, our passengers, and cargo, and to have the most capable fleet in the solar system, we need combat experience.

    Because of the rules of ship karma, we can't merely fight each other without one ship ending up with an evil karma rating. Fortunately, we now have a spare VTOL to use as target practice.

    If you're not a member of ASA or ASF and you'd like to learn to shoot and fly, now would be a good time to join up. Note: ASA is a soc, and therefore has the benefit of soc chat and the soc terminal etc. But for those who don't want to leave their current soc for ASA, or would rather be in a non-soc organization, ASF is the place to be.

    Participation will be free, but keep in mind that the target ship we're using (which belongs to me) is going to get destroyed a lot and will need repairs. So participants are welcome to donate to help cover these costs. The events will be BYOA (bring your own ammo).

    Because of the difficulty with scheduling as well as having only one bad ship to shoot down, we'll probably do this in smaller groups. Contact me in game or post here to arrange a training session.
     
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  2. Chrome

    Chrome Active Member Pro Users

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    Will you be holding a scheduled "event" for this? (It might be an excellent opportunity to use this as a way to recruit new members, as well as get folks together for a fun social activity.)

    Huge +rep for providing this service. Please contact via PM so we may schedule a time/place to meet ingame for a donation toward the cost of the VTOL.
     
  3. Neil

    Neil Adviser Pro Users Arkadia Adviser

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    Chrome, thanks. The plan is to have a big scheduled event of some kind—we're still working out the details—and we will also most likely have a number of smaller, practical shooting sessions (scheduled or impromptu). I do like the idea of a big social event. We need more of that on Arkadia.
     
  4. Fopsie

    Fopsie Active Member Pro Users

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  5. Calin

    Calin Member

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    Sounds like a great plan. I have weird hours this week at work, but once things settle down some I'll be in touch.
     
  6. T79x

    T79x Adviser Arkadia Adviser

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    So in theory

    we need 2 Vtols neutral and pirate

    step one i kill netral Vtol enough to gain pirate status...

    step two training

    1 farming 1 click on repair , fly , and get shooted when enter pvp ... (10 minutes cooldown for same ship) 3-4 ppl can farm this way

    2 manevuer practice fullrepair and you can choose what you need practicing

    step three i kill enough pirate Vtol to gain again neutral ( or altlest my notable status)

    as this is theory , and we still dont know excatly rulez , mabye confirmation from MA that this activity isnt EXPLOIT
     
  7. Fopsie

    Fopsie Active Member Pro Users

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    Wait what ???

    Why need two nutral ships ?

    Why 1 click fix a ship? This is combat training not rep farming
     
  8. T79x

    T79x Adviser Arkadia Adviser

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    cause there are altlest now these two ways how to do it

    its much easier for pirates to skill or farm
     
  9. Atlan Leticron

    Atlan Leticron Active Member

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    If I understand well, you end with a neutral again.
    So this is not rep farming.

    And training is allowed, hence the octagons on Caly.
    So I don't think there will be a problem.
    Also you will use ammo and decay, MA loves it if you do that.

    But to be on the sure side, drop the question at support.

    Also will there be ground crew needed?
    To repair vehicles etc.
    This way we can involve more people.

    Regards,
    Ion
     
  10. Neil

    Neil Adviser Pro Users Arkadia Adviser

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    The only reason we're using a ship with bad karma is that if your ship (neutral or good) destroys another neutral or good ship, your ship will get bad karma. We don't want ASA or ASF ships to get bad karma while learning to fight, so the "target" ship must already have bad karma. If you kill the target ship, your ship will get good karma.

    This isn't skilling or farming, we're not going to be shooting at each other all night to get higher skills... I don't have the peds for that, and that's not the point. If you want to skill, go out and find pirates or find someone else with the same objective. The combat training is about learning how to maneuver and shoot in space. It's not as simple as it is on land, where you just select the target, hit auto-fire and the avatar does the rest... especially when you have to fly at the same time.

    There's no exploit. It's simply sparring and it's what people do in PvP zones. Only difference is we'll be killing each other politely, without looting. ;)

    Today's a holiday here so my availability is up in the air today. I'll be posting more details shortly, including times when I will be available for combat practice.

    Oh, and I should add that as long as everyone shoots the right ship — or is that overly optimistic? ;) — we will NOT end with neutral ships in the end; your ships will have a positive karma status, and the target will get more and more negative. And you receive skills/rep for shooting, and since those are only a positive number, you can't "undo" them.
     
  11. Neil

    Neil Adviser Pro Users Arkadia Adviser

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    Yes, Ion, it would be very helpful to have ground crew with a vehicle repairer in the hangar. That way we wouldn't have to take our wires into space with us and risk losing them (as happened last night when a pirate and/or "knight" sneaked up on us and halted my research session when they looted my wires). I checked various parts of the station and it's not possible to drop wires anywhere, at least not in Ark station.
     
  12. Hollyman

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    Dear Arkadians.

    We [ASA & ASF] are just in planning phase.
    In the planning we will consider EULA guidelines.
    So please make suggestions and we will include them to our internal planning.
    We take care that it will be a nice event, and for all a good enrichment.

    Kind Regards,
    Hollyman
     
  13. Lee DeLioncourt

    Lee DeLioncourt Arkadian Outrider Platinum Member

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    Will be in sometime this evening, I am happy to help with the ground crew repair part if needed, think thats a good idea. Not worried too much about the practise shooting, but let me know if I can hang in the station to help with repairs whenever any of you are training.
     
  14. Neil

    Neil Adviser Pro Users Arkadia Adviser

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    Took me while, but I think I understand what you're asking. No, we will not be doing 1 click repairs so people can get easy skilling. This is to practice shooting down pirates, and a pirate sure isn't going to be attacking you if they've only got 1 click repair status! No point in practicing combat unless the target is fully repaired.

    Also, on a slightly related topic: from my initial observations, I do not think that wearing armor in space makes any difference to either your ship's hp, or even to being killed after ship is disabled. I didn't get enough time to test out that question thoroughly, though. Can anyone shed light on whether armor makes any difference in space?
     
  15. Milesio

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    I like this idea. Will be as "Top Gun" film for learn air combat? I am interested. I hope when students hit the "target vtol" they not take bad karma.
     
  16. Neil

    Neil Adviser Pro Users Arkadia Adviser

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    Thanks Lee!

    Hollyman, I took a look at the Eula, which doesn't say anything about this, as well as the EU Account terms of use, which does not address it either. It's not a bug or exploit and there's nothing that would prohibit combat practice.

    I did find some interesting things:

    c. You cannot interfere with any other Participants ability to use and enjoy the Entropia Universe.
    In other words, as you sit on that neutral space station waiting for someone to bring you wires, just remember that the pirates are actually adding to your fun & enjoyment of EU. No, really. :/

    j. You must immediately report errors and bugs in the Entropia Universe to MindArk whenever You discover them. You may not “cheat” or otherwise neglect to report errors or bugs, use bugs, slow connection, Internet latency, or other 'exploits' for own benefits or for the benefit of others.
    MA, in case you didn't notice, the space stations are buggy. I can't even shoot the fish! ;)

    n. Gambling activities are expressly forbidden in the Entropia Universe.
    lol!
     
  17. Atlan Leticron

    Atlan Leticron Active Member

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    You make a excellent point there.

    Maybe some one with a VTOL or other ship can follow the battle and film it?
    This might be useful for teaching and evaluation purposes.

    And I am also curious to know if wearing armor makes any difference.


    Regards,
    Ion
     
  18. Neil

    Neil Adviser Pro Users Arkadia Adviser

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    Already tested. Your ship will get good karma (assuming you hit the target, not another neutral ship!) and you as pilot will get a few shooting skills too.
     
  19. Hollyman

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    Thank you Neil, to calm down this topic a bit.

    To put it a heat up and make the Event scalable, here is the Pre-Registration!


    We want to make it a great Event, so we are interest who like to participate and what you like to do on the ASA/ASF Combat Operation Training.

    You can now Pre-Register and we will inform you via PM, soon the final release is out, so you not miss the first event.


    Pre-Register Here:


    http://www.arkadiaforum.com/group.php?discussionid=19&do=discuss


    Kind Regards,
    Hollyman

    P.S

    I wil post a copy of this in a new tread next days.
    See it as a lidle preview.
     

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