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Arkadian Oil Rig Improvements

Discussion in 'PvP' started by Raven Lunchbox, Jan 22, 2014.

  1. Raven Lunchbox

    Raven Lunchbox Adviser Arkadia Adviser

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    I want to start this page to help the A-Team make changes to the PVP oil rig that will make it a fun place that thrives and not just a desolate hole in the desert with a few oratan and almost no oil.

    So, if you or anyone you know want to contribute to this thread please do, no bitching, whinning, griping, stay on topic and keep it clean.
    :cool:

    First things I have noticed.

    From other people waiting for oil I have been told its only about 50 or less barrels every 15 min at best.
    (this needs to increase a huge amount) on caly the main rig drops hundreds or thousands of oil every 5-7minutes thus creating a demand for people to want to be there and control it.

    There are no structures, obstacles for us to pvp with, we should have walls, buildings, bunkers, bridges, sandbags, high-rises, and other such riggery, or urban combat scene type stuff we can utilize as environment immersion.

    Although we all want to go into pvp in pvp armor. I do not think a million oratan surrounding the rig is the way to go. It creates massive decay on extremely expensive L armor. Nobody will do that.

    The oratan should be pushed away maybe 500 to 700m away

    maybe some stray other large animal natural spawn that periodically comes would be cool or

    a rare mob that only shows up periodically (creating more demand for people to come)


    Others please post some thoughts
     
  2. djinn

    djinn Member

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    Only been there once so far but it does not seem to be as lively as I remember the Rig on Caly and a bit sparse scenary wise. I would think some other mobs with fewer Oratan as you suggest would be nice. I would not like to see it as hard to get to as the main Rig on Caly as remember it being surrounded by Atrox. This would be "fun" but also frustrating to many noobs and other that try to get there.
     
  3. Cyborg Bill

    Cyborg Bill Well-Known Member Pro Users

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    No real sense for the ATeam to bother any real effort into pvp. Mindark refuses to close the holes that allow people to mod their way to success in EU pvp with crisis "Tricks" Second there's no sense to bother if no rules at all are getting enforced over players infringing on rules regarding interference with others play like the people standing at the gates during events. People using vehicles to exploit as well as other "Flaws" that have yet to be addressed and the list of other issues ignored to favor thievery.

    Not sure but I believe the small rig was put in to help new players get a start not supply the elite that already get everything in game. The pvp mining area up in the snow was for the big boys to play in far as I know.
     
  4. Neil

    Neil Adviser Pro Users Arkadia Adviser

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    The ark oil rig is intended to be a newbie rig, so we aren't going to see the oil drops increased I think... otherwise ubers would just come and close the rig (not a fun scenario for newbies) and then they'd have to make another newbie rig. Also the PP has to pay out of pocket for all the oil drops from the rigs and I doubt

    I think the oratan add to the challenge... I might think about replacing the oratan directly around the rig with oratan prospectors since the regular oratan do have quite a bit of HP, more than newbies can handle except in team. And people who go to the newbie rig generally don't have peds for a big stack of ammo. I love roads, I think they encourage newbies to explore, and I'd like to see a road from 8 coins down to the outpost near the rig, a road up to the rig with a signpost too.
     
  5. Snape

    Snape Master of the BanHammer Staff Member PAF Administrator

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    Bill I understand (and share a lot of) your frustration with PvP (and Space for that matter), but this thread is about improving the rig area to make it more popular for new players etc. I'm sure you have some suggestions of how it can be made better for people without specifically catering for the elite few?

    I have to agree with Neil that increasing the oil drop would just result in the "Ubers" coming in a closing the rig. It was one of the main reasons why I never ventured to the old rig on Caly and never actually saw it properly as some paranoid douche with a big gun would blow me away because I was coming to steal his/her oil! (that was sarcasm btw in case you were wondering).

    Anyway, some of the newer lower level Oratan would be good certainly, along with some structures as suggested by Raven. Transient mobs are an interesting idea too....similar to something I have suggested myself before.
     
  6. Xpl0jd

    Xpl0jd New Member

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    I have no intrests in the noob rig with low drops and i dont think it does much for PvP.
    But i think they should remove the mobs close to the rig for the noobs.

    I would want one more rig in lootable PvP with bigger drops.
    U will need the toxic shot to enter and need to defend urself to not get looted from ur free oil.
    I think this would make more people go to PvP and do PK.

    So far this game had low intrests in PvP so i doubt that will never happen and PvP will keep being dead.
    Please prove me im wrong :)

    //Regards
     
  7. zume

    zume Active Member Pro Users

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    An Oilrig in the Lootable PVP for the big-spenders.. Not a bad idea Xplojd.. :D I would never go there myself, but I really like the idea.. :)

    I can actually see it working - especially with all the old caly ppl that has moved to Ark lately..
     
  8. Xpl0jd

    Xpl0jd New Member

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    I cant come up with any better idea to make PvP more active, I am the kind of player who need PvP to be on a planet, every time i leave arkadia is to go to PvP on Calypso, and even calypso is prity dead in PvP this days.

    Ofcorse everyone dosnt want pk but they dont need to go in it, but we who wants pvp cant do much when its dead.
     
  9. Raven Lunchbox

    Raven Lunchbox Adviser Arkadia Adviser

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    I agree with Xplojd, it would definitely be more interesting. and more popular. maybe some of those rare mobs popping up on within pvp bounderies that instantly died if people try to drag them out to kill them :)
     
  10. Cyborg Bill

    Cyborg Bill Well-Known Member Pro Users

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    Well heres the rub.. its not about making rig area better its about pvp advantages. If you want to make rig area better remove pvp set up a rank and file que like a grocery store check out and that's about the best you can do to it.

    I thought what I stated was a valid suggestion. No sense trying to enhance a broken entity. Until the exploits of the engine are addressed there is nothing that CAN be done to make pvp better.

    If eliminating the methods to cheats can be done then the best way to make pvp NOT a matter of the haves vs the have nots is to make PVP primordial. You get no armor, you get X amount of health, you get the same weapon as everyone else and then it comes down to player ability not game exploits and advantages. (and even then you have Ping times as the advantage so there really is no way to make pvp equal for everyone) Until it gets to that point any suggestions will be to help the person stating his opinions to gain himself some sort of advantage over others and we are right back to where we are now.. the haves vs the have nots.

    But then again for the lootable pvp in EU its always been geared to the thief mentality and not the actual challenge of the battle.
     
  11. Spike Black

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    The oratan being there is to make it slightly challenging to stay there not just to get there. Even at the original Caly rig the atrox would rush in a kill a few newbies if there were no players killing them both. Too easy to get the oil and it becomes a freeloaders paradise, too hard and no one bothers with it and it becomes another waste of development and server space.
     
  12. Xpl0jd

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    I can see u dont do PvP, what is the exploits ur talking about that still excists?
    I know no exploits at this date in normal PvP.
    In lootable PvP u can enter with less than 50% HP and use a helmet that makes u not get any regain, but MindArk has answare that this is not allowed and can make you get a temp ban.

    And removing ur skill and weapons in PvP is a bad idea, just check the Hub on Cyrene.

    EU has Always been about skilling ur way up to get better, and should Always be, otherwise play counter-strike or something other :p
     
  13. xavrok

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    Tens kinds of truth in this statement. PVP in this game is counter productive. You are basically throwing money away. If you want to spend money and pvp, play BL:R.
     
  14. Kitten

    Kitten Adviser Pro Users Arkadia Adviser

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    Make a second oil rig an ocean rig dropping bigger stacks but defended by Smuggler defence drones :eek:
     
  15. anthonymorris

    anthonymorris Platinum Member Platinum Member Arkadia Adviser

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    oil rig

    To be honest the oil rig on arkadia I think was put there for the new player to be able to get some oil for their vehicle that they got from completing the missions. I don’t think it was ever intended to sustain their game play, and Arkadia “IS NOT” a Calypso we do things a bit differently here. See the A-team actually talks to us and is concerned about what is best for Arkadia and their players.

    How many times do you actually get a response from the owner of Calypso????? Here our big cheese is active with his planet and actually cares about his planet and players future. He looks at the long term gain/view not the short term gain/view. My personal opinion is if you want a high yield rig go to calypso and wait in line to get oil which I find amusing because most of the people who are in line get the oil and then go try to sell it. As Neil said the oil that drops is not a freebee someone has to pay for it and with this being a PP it comes out of his pocket, now caly is a different story that come out of the players pocket because do you think as greedy as MA is they will just give you something for nothing? Be realistic.

    And putting a high yield oil rig in the pvp area for ubers well that is just laughable I do not know of many or any ubers that say, wow I think I will go to the oil rig today and get me some free oil . And if they do, then are they really uber has it gotten so bad the ubers have to result to going to an oil rig and get oil? If there was a second oil rig (wich I don’t think we need one) I would support Kittens ideaput it in the ocean and have smuggler drones protecting it. If the uber chooses to get some oil let him fight someone worth fighting for it waste your ped to get a few pec in oil.

    And Pking in the pvp well there is no skill involved most use a rocket launcher where is the skill in that? Cyrene has a pk area and not many pker like it because it put everyone on the same lvl same armor mostly same gun no uber guns or uber rocket launchers. So the game has several other planets that have catered to the PVP/Pker I would hope arkadia would not become one of those planets. Why? Simple we do not need to have a pvp economy our economy relies on our resources not people stealing from others. Say what you want but taking what you did not mine, hunt, or otherwise work to get on your own is stealing. This is why we do not need a PVP oil rig it is basically pointless
     
  16. Chuck Jarrdhead Wholrey

    Chuck Jarrdhead Wholrey Active Member

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    Yep, we do not need another oil rig. I was not pleased to see the first "Bread Line"

    We dont need players hiding in the footprints of vehicles
    We dont need more people using Mouse macro's for sure shot's
    We dont need players in gear costing 1000's of peds telling other players their SOC is KOS for "stealing" .2 ped of oil from "their" rig
    We dont need new map reveal cheats, "death pill mission" cheats, hacks or any of the other shady / greasy behavior the "Bread Line" brings to the planet
     
  17. Xpl0jd

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    Take a moment and think about the planets intrests instead of your own only.
    Just becouse u can´t pk or dont like to pk it dosnt mean PvP should not excist, you will never be forced to enter PvP zone!


    I am hunting every day, and mostly im going in PvP between every hunt.

    When i am on arkadia and hunting im leaving becouse i really need to go to PvP (yes pvp yunkie) and pk some, then i go back to hunting, do you guys think im flying all the way back to Arkadia to go back on hunting or stay on the planet that got both Mobs and PvP?


    One of the reason me and probleby most in my soc isnt on arkadia is due to bad PvP.

    I bet arkadia wants more player on there planet, so they should make it fit as many players as they can.
    Like i said, you will never be forced in PvP zone so i can´t see a reason to try keep PvP zones gone when it will bring more players?


    And i say it again, just becouse you can´t PK it dosnt mean the other player cheat.
    I know 1 person who regulary cheat inside PvP4, today u can not even spawn a car or plane or anything inside lootable PvP, there are no radar bug, so when u say its alot of exploits and buggs you just say you dont know what ur talking about and havent been in PvP in a very long time.

    (to all haters, Stay out of PvP = problem solved)
    This thread was about how to improve PvP, not whine if you dont like to be in PvP
    //Regards
     
  18. Xpl0jd

    Xpl0jd New Member

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    To answare on your post

    1. Vehicles can not be spawned or used inside Lootable PvP and in other hand its a tactic.
    2. I dont know if its even possible to use macro as autoaim now when rightclick has been removed.
    3. We will always have players with expensive UL gear, BUT the L gear is much better in PvP and does not cost 1000s of ped so be happy if u dont got UL gear.
    4. All this death missions has been removed, and i dont know any hacks. MA does remove all exploits or change so you cant use them, but it takes time.
     
  19. Chuck Jarrdhead Wholrey

    Chuck Jarrdhead Wholrey Active Member

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    Its not that I cannot PK, ask the OP of the last bragger thread, She has a nice pic of herself eating snow posted in her thread, with the simple response "Nothing special to see here".

    The fact of the matter is, PvP is flawed, it is almost as bad as space. If MA would do something about the Mice that allow you to hold the shots till a sure hit is indicated, or players would not hide inside the footprints of vehicles <causing DEV's to remove vehicles from pvp>, or take advantage of the tiny hit boxes and jump around like a moron with a fap.....
    That is not PvP... PvP is more like Battlefield or any game like that. If i wanna go knife snipers, or pistol whip and stick them with a plasma grenade.....

    I found it odd that Dave had stated in an interview that PvP was not a high priority for Arkadia, that they has wanted to get the other systems in place and working like a charm first. And less than a month later we got lootable pvp and an oil rig. It seemed rushed, and not well thought out.

    If PvP worked like it should, You would not want to go there Xpll0jd... since I would be there :p
     
  20. anthonymorris

    anthonymorris Platinum Member Platinum Member Arkadia Adviser

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    I agree chuck but the main reason the pvp was put there is to get the ores that only spawn in pvp here on ark and the oil rig I think is just for the noobs as you can see people are always crying about the drop rate and the randomness of the drops not like caly where ppl have to stand in line to get oil. Which I find absolutely funny when I go to caly I go to the rig just to cause the rig kings to lose ped shooting me who are they to stand there and say who gets what?

    And what’s even funnier is that people let them do it, that’s why I hope David will never turn up the drop rate in the oil fields nor have it drop at just one certain spot. As far as the pking aspect of pvp way to many cowards, do it the uses rocket launchers or come and have mobs attack you and get the last shot to kill you this has happen to me many times on calypso this is why I do not like the pvp.
     

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