Ardorjies Crazy Uneconomic Huntinglog on Halix

This is the other hunt from tuesday, things are looking bleak once more.

Hunt #54: Mux-1 EnergyGlove

Proffessions:

-	Brawler (Dmg)	Brawler (Hit)	Dmg/Sec	Dmg/PEC
Before	27,0772	23,0316	5,12	1,357
After	27,0999	23,0645
Increase	00,0227	00,0329

Costs:

-	Decay
Mux-1 EnergyGlove	19,35918
S.I. H.E.A.R.T.	00,06300
Bukin's Blade	00,11900
InvestaFoe ES300	00,69300
Total	20,23418

Loottable:
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Animal Hide	00,56000
Animal Muscle Oil	02,01000
Animal Oil Residue	00,40000
Blazar Fragment	00,00025
BLP Pack	00,49560
Explosive Projectiles	00,10700
Halix Hide	01,10000
Halix Tail	00,02000
Miluca Timber	01,50000
Nova Fragment	00,00043
Paint Can (Green)	00,77000
Socket I Component	00,40000
Strong Cloth Extractor	00,04000
Tier I Component	00,40000
Weak Cloth Extractor	00,26000
Weapon Cells	00,31760
Total	08,38088

Halix: 77
Return: 41,419%
Music: NoFX = The Longest EP

Comments: Please, don't let this be the start of the longest wait for a positive return.

Ardorj [/tr][/tr]

 

Done a hunt on thursday, I'm quite pleased with the result.
Now on to the next run ...

Hunt #55: Castorian EnKnuckles-A

Proffessions:

-	Brawler (Dmg)	Brawler (Hit)	Dmg/Sec	Dmg/PEC
Before	27,0999	23,0645	5,14 (max)	2,738 (max)
After	27,1287	23,1052
Increase	00,0288	00,0407

Costs:

-	Decay
Castorian EnKnuckles-A	16,49409
S.I. H.E.A.R.T.	00,09900
Bukin's Blade	00,06800
InvestaFoe ES300	01,09800
Total	17,75909

Loottable:

Animal Hide	01,39000
Animal Muscle Oil	06,24000
Animal Oil Residue	00,81000
Blazar Fragment	00,00029
BLP Pack	01,40290
Explosive Projectiles	01,04970
Focus Lense Component	00,60000
Miluca Timber	02,00000
Nova Fragment	00,00099
Paint Can (Green)	00,35000
Paint Can (Purple)	00,06000
Socket I Component	00,20000
Soft Hide	00,20000
Tier I Component	00,60000
Weapon Cells	01,20810
Total	16,11198

Halix: 122
Return: 90,725%
Music: The Dreamers = Book of Angels Volume 14, Ipos

Comments: There are days when I can only dream of a return like this of over 90%.

Ardorj

 

I got a new record today, unfortuatly it's a depth record.

Hunt #56: Mux-2 EnergyGlove

Proffessions:

-	Brawler (Dmg)	Brawler (Hit)	Dmg/Sec	Dmg/PEC
Before	27,1287	23,1052	5,87	1,149
After	27,1505	23,1397
Increase	00,0218	00,0345

Costs:

-	Decay
Mux-2 EnergyGlove	26,68064
S.I. H.E.A.R.T.	00,10200
Bukin's Blade	00,00000
InvestaFoe ES300	00,76500
Total	27,54764

Loottable:

Animal Hide	00,84000
Animal Muscle Oil	02,37000
Animal Oil Residue	00,55000
Basic Plastic Extractor	00,01000
Blazar Fragment	00,00022
BLP Pack	00,15440
Halix Hide	00,35000
Miluca Timber	02,45000
Nova Fragment	00,00074
Paint Can (Green)	00,49000
Paint Can (Purple)	00,18000
Socket I Component	00,20000
Soft Hide	00,10000
Tier I Component	00,40000
Weak Cloth Extractor	00,07000
Weapon Cells	00,31220
Total	8,47756

Halix: 85
Return: 30,774%
Music: David Krakauer = Book of Angels Volume 18, Pruflas

Comments: There simply wasn't anything good in this run at all. Terrible, but it did gave me an idea for a later test.

Ardorj

 

This hunt I did right after the previous and thankfully with better results.

Hunt #57: Castorian EnKnuckles-A

Proffessions:

-	Brawler (Dmg)	Brawler (Hit)	Dmg/Sec	Dmg/PEC
Before	27,1505	23,1397	5,14 (max)	2,738 (max)
After	23,1916	27,1833
Increase	00,0519	00,0328

Costs:

-	Decay
Castorian EnKnucles-A	16,49409
S.I. H.E.A.R.T.	00,15300
Bukin's Blade	00,05100
InvestaFoe ES300	01,08900
Total	17,78709

Loottable:

Advanced Mineral Extractor	00,09000
Animal Hide	00,58000
Animal Muscle Oil	03,21000
Animal Oil Residue	00,66000
Blazar Fragment	00,00012
BLP Pack	00,39400
Halix Hide	00,75000
Halix Leg Fur	01,50000
Miluca Timber	01,45000
Nova Fragment	00,00084
Paint Can (Green)	00,63000
Paint Can (Olive)	00,20000
Socket I Component	00,50000
Tier I Component	00,70000
Weak Cloth Extractor	00,10000
Weapon Cells	00,95980
Total	11,72476

Halix: 121
Return: 65,917%
Music: Conflict = There's no Power without Control

Comments: There is something that I've began to notice. I can from the first twenty kills or so 'predict' how the result will be in terms of 'terrible', 'bad', 'okeish', 'fine', 'break-even', 'profit'. Some runs give me more minies then others, meaning a loot of over 1 PED. It happened with this hunt, with the previous none at all hence the most terrible result of that. But what is interesting is that, as good as I can remember, that happens with every weapon. Because I did this run right after the one before with the Mux-2 I can rule out the time-factor.
So what gives me the strings to control the loot and come into power? I don't know.

Ardorj

 

Just finished two more hunts, first one with the Mux-2.

Hunt #58: Mux-2 EnergyGlove

Proffessions:

-	Brawler (Dmg)	Brawler (Hit)	Dmg/Sec	Dmg/PEC
Before	27,1833	23,1916	5,87	1,150 (+1)
After	27,2098	23,2324
Increase	00,0265	00,0408

Costs:

-	Decay
Mux-2 EnergyGlove	26,68064
S.I. H.E.A.R.T.	00,01800
Bukin's Blade	00,01700
InvestaFoe ES300	00,77400
Total	27,84964

Loottable:

Animal Hide	00,52000
Animal Muscle Oil	05,94000
Animal Oil Residue	00,62000
Blazar Fragment	00,00023
BLP Pack	00,69840
Explosive Projectiles	00,10380
Miluca Timber	01,60000
Nova Fragment	00,00089
Paint Can (Green)	00,21000
Socket I Component	01,30000
Tier I Component	00,30000
Weapon Cells	03,39940
Total	14,69272

Halix: 86
Return: 53,448%
Music: The Offspring = The Offspring

Comments: And another thing that I begin to notice: the large difference in healing costs. With this hunt I hardly had to use the S.I. H.E.A.R.T. at all. The next one has a very large medical bill and I can't by the looks of it say that it's weaponbased.

Ardorj

 

The other one from today with the EnKnuckles-1 ... oh what a most terrible weapon!

Hunt #59: Castorian EnKnuckles-1

Proffessions:

-	Brawler (Dmg)	Brawler (Hit)	Dmg/Sec	Dmg/PEC
Before	27,2098	23,2324	3,68 (+1)	1,175 (+5)
After	27,2281	23,2600
Increase	00,0183	00,0276

Costs:

-	Decay
Castorian EnKnuckles-1	17,47649
S.I. H.E.A.R.T.	00,23400
Bukin's Blade	00,06800
InvestaFoe ES300	00,76500
Total	18,54350

Loottable:

Advanced Mineral Extractor	00,02000
Animal Hide	00,83000
Animal Muscle Oil	02,34000
Animal Oil Residue	00,56000
BLP Pack	00,14190
Explosive Projectiles	00,11130
Halix Hide	01,55000
Halix Leg Fur	00,50000
Miluca Timber	02,35000
Nova Fragment	00,00060
Paint Can (Green)	00,28000
Paint Can (Olive)	00,10000
Socket I Component	00,50000
Strong Cloth Extractor	00,04000
Tier I Component	00,30000
Weak Cloth Extractor	00,14000
Weapon Cells	01,03820
Total	10,80200

Halix: 84
Return: 58,252%
Music: Jello Biafra with the Melvins = Never Breath what You can't See

Comments: The Halix's breath stinks.

Ardorj

 

Did two more runs today with both of the Muxes. Don't hold your breath for these two though.

Hunt #60: Mux-1 EnergyGlove

Proffessions:

-	Brawler (Dmg)	Brawler (Hit)	Dmg/Sec	Dmg/PEC
Before	27,2281	23,2600	5,13 (+1)	1,358 (+1)
After	27,2523	23,2961
Increase	00,0242	00,0361

Costs:

-	Decay
Mux-1 EnergyGlove	19,35918
S.I. H.E.A.R.T.	00,03600
Bukin's Blade	00,03400
InvestaFoe ES300	00,66600
Total	20,09518

Loottable:

Advanced Mineral Extractor	00,04000
Animal Hide	00,88000
Animal Muscle Oil	03,75000
Animal Oil Residue	00,47000
Blazar Fragment	00,00012
BLP Pack	00,14190
Explosive Projectiles	00,11950
Halix Hide	00,50000
Halix Leg Fur	01,00000
Halix Tail	00,02000
Miluca Timber	02,20000
Nova Fragment	00,00037
Paint Can (Green)	00,28000
Socket I Component	00,30000
Soft Hide	00,20000
Strong Cloth Extractor	00,01000
Weapon Cells	02,93010
Total	12,70009

Halix: 74
Return: 63,200%
Music: John Zorn = IAO

Comments: I don't pray to Lootius. And I don't believe in him either. Oh, he might be anger at me for all I care.

Ardorj

 

And this is the last from yesterday. It is possible that with the next run, that I will complete the Halix Stage 4 (4800 kills). Initially was that the point where I would made my first conclusion, but I don't have enough hunts done with the Castorian EnKnuckles-1 unfortuatly for that. Most likely I will also discard the first six hunts.

Hunt #61: Mux-2 EnergyGlove

Proffessions:

-	Brawler (Dmg)	Brawler (Hit)	Dmg/Sec	Dmg/PEC
Before	27,2523	23,2961	5,87	1,150
After	27,2738	23,3278
Increase	00,0215	00,0317

Costs:

-	Decay
Mux-2 EnergyGlove	26,68064
S.I. H.E.A.R.T.	00,07200
Bukin's Blade	00,03400
InvestaFoe ES300	00,77400
Total	27,56064

Loottable:

Animal Hide	00,29000
Animal Muscle Oil	05,49000
Animal Oil Residue	00,68000
BLP Pack	00,08150
Explosive Projectiles	00,14080
Focus Lense Component	00,20000
Halix Hide	00,65000
Halix Leg Fur	00,50000
Miluca Timber	01,65000
Nova Fragment	00,00090
Paint Can (Green)	00,91000
Socket I Component	00,40000
Soft Hide	00,20000
Strong Cloth Extractor	00,14000
Tier I Component	00,40000
Weapon Cells	00,34280
Total	12,07600

Halix: 85
Return: 43,816%
Music: Martin Simpson = Prodigal Son

Comments: There are lots of prodigal sons in the Halix family.

Ardorj

 

When you are not expecting anything and then aren't getting anything, can you say it's a disappointment? Falling four kills short of completing the Halix Stage 4 Mission (4800 kills) certainly feels like one.

Hunt #62: Castorian EnKnuckles-1

Proffessions:

-	Brawler (Dmg)	Brawler (Hit)	Dmg/Sec	Dmg/PEC
Before	27,2738	23,3278	3,68	1,751
After	27,2927	23,3519
Increase	00,0189	00,0241

Costs:

-	Decay
Castorian EnKnuckles-1	17,47650
S.I. H.E.A.R.T.	00,22500
Bukin's Blade	00,03400
InvestaFoe ES300	00,74700
Total	18,48250

Loottable:

Animal Hide	00,46000
Animal Muscle Oil	02,28000
Animal Oil Residue	00,58000
Blazar Fragment	00,00032
BLP Pack	00,15100
Explosive Projectiles	00,86760
Focus Lense Component	00,60000
Halix Leg Fur	02,50000
Miluca Timber	02,20000
Nova Fragment	00,00089
Paint Can (Green)	00,21000
Socket I Component	00,70000
Tier I Component	00,60000
Weapon Cells	00,19590
Total	11,94571

Halix: 83
Return: 64,633%
Music: Koby Israelite = Book of Angels Volume 4, Orobas

Comments: Orobas is said, in demonology, to give true answer to things past, present and what is to come. Let's find out how coincidental the truth of this return is compared to the average return.
Calculations will come propably this weekend, permitting that I first calculate that I got enough data to work with.

Ardorj

 

This is the second and so far last hunt I did earlier this week. But let me start with a little something that I forgot to mention before: I think it's been a week or two ago now that I've gotten to 2400 Power Fists.
View attachment 7986

Because the previous hunt was four kills short of completing the mission, I've done so this time. I got to choose between Handgun and BLP Weaponry Technology and took the first for the sake of Hitpoints increase. I got me to three new levels in ranged proffessions and a new level in Handgun that I don't care much about either way.
View attachment 7987
Haven't done any calculations yet besides what I do every hunt. Therefore I can't say yet wether or not I've gathered enough datapoints to be able to draw a conclusion.

Hunt #62: Castorian EnKnuckles-1

Proffessions:

-	Brawler (Dmg)	Brawler (Hit)	Dmg/Sec	Dmg/PEC
Before	27,2927	23,3519	3,68	1,751
After	27,3115	23,3813
Increase	00,0188	00,0294

Costs:

-	Decay
Castorian EnKnuckles-1	17,47650
S.I. H.E.A.R.T.	00,28800
Bukin's Blade	00,05100
InvestaFoe ES300	00,80100
Total	18,61650

Loottable:

Animal Hide	00,33000
Animal Muscle Oil	03,06000
Animal Oil Residue	00,68000
Blazar Fragment	00,00026
BLP Pack	00,26000
Halix Hide	00,20000
Miluca Timber	02,50000
Nova Fragment	00,00091
Paint Can (Green)	00,21000
Socket I Component	00,60000
Tier I Component	00,10000
Weak Cloth Extractor	00,02000
Weapon Cells	01,27220
Total	9,23337

Halix: 88
Return: 49,598%
Music: Greg Graffin = Cold as the Clay

Comments: As many Halixes lay dead cold as the clay, so will I for a moment put this huntinglog in the fridge.

Ardorj

 

Discussion (Part I):

Number of Halixes killed per hunt:
It is to be expected that due to different maturities that there's a difference in how many Halixes I can kill in one hunt with the same weapon. What is not to be expected is that the difference becomes so great that one can question if a hunt is to be rejected or not. For example I'll take the data from the Castorian EnKnuckles-A:

134, 120, 121, 123, 123, 123, 124, 127, 122, 122, 125, 120, 119, 122, 124, 119, 119, 124, 122, 121

The very first hunt (134 kills) is questionable. I've calculated the possibility that it's a bad datapoint using an Excelsheet I've made years ago as a student. It's based on the '2s method', but I regret to say that I don't know exactly anymore how it goes. I also calculated, using the same Excelsheet, with the '99% Q-test'. Both say that the 134-datapoint is to be rejected.
In fact, with all four weapons the questionable data-point that happened to be the first or second is rejectable using the '2s method'. Not with the Castorian EnKnuckles-1 using the '99% Q-test' though.

Now the question of course is: should these points be rejected? The difference between the first four hunts, fifth and sixth and all the others are the Mutated Halix. There were no Mutated Halix untill the fifth hunt where I killed two. On the sixth I also killed two Mutated Halix and after that I avoided them. Apparantly there was also a small change with the 'normal' Halixes, most likely a (small) increase in regeneration.

Conclusion about the number of kills per hunt: I reject the first six hunts.

Scanning with the InvestaFoe ES300:
The four different Power Fists that I used have different TT-values and do different damage (although roughly similair). The point here is that one weapon has more or less decay of the ES300 then another. See this table:

-	Weapon decay (PED)	Average ES300 decay (PED)	ES300 per weapon (%)
Mux-1 EnergyGlove	19,35918	0,66825	3,452
Mux-2 EnergyGlove	26,68064	0,77600	2,908
Castorian EnKnuckles-1	17,47650	0,76900	4,400
Castorian EnKnuckles-A	16,49409	1,09863	6,661

What it shows is that when I hunt with the Castorian EnKnuckles-A a much larger procent of the total huntingcost is taken up by the ES300-decay. The result is that when I compare the results with the ES300-decay included that the EnKnuckles-A will be of worsed.
Easy to say that I will not take the ES300-decay into consideration.

There does however remain the question wether or not scanning has an influence on the loot.

That was it for now. Just a small calculation and just a discussion of what numbers to use and what not too.

Ardorj

 

Discussion (Part II):

Number of Hunts and Standard Deviation:
Because I picked a weapon randomly each time, I haven't do the same amount of hunts with every weapon. But first I want to say a few words about the Standard Deviation. For those who don't know what it is: a short introduction.
Standard Deviation (STDEV) is a measurement of how much a set of data is spread-out. For example: take the total days each player has logged on at Planet Arkadia. When you plot that data it will (expected) to form a bellshaped plot. The peak of the plot (or bell) is the mean, most players have logged on that many days at Planet Arkadia. ~70% of all players will be one STDEV either side of the mean. ~95% two STDEV on each side of the mean. ~99% three STDEV away from the meam. A higher STDEV means that the populance is more spread out when it comes to how long we've stayed here. A small STDEV on the other hand would mean that a lot of Arkadians would be 'mid level'.
[ The example with how long the players have stayed on Planet Arkadia is perhaps a bad example. It's not likely to come up with a bell-shape. ]

Now on to my hunting log. With the returns per weapon I can also calculate the STDEV. A small STDEV means a more reliable result to work with. So, let's see what it is:

-	Hunts (#)	Average return (%)	STDEV (%)
Castorian EnKnuckles-A	19	80,332	15,884
Castorian EnKnuckles-1	10	70,475	33,804
Mux-1 EnergyGlove	12	69,707	36,427
Mux-2 EnergyGlove	16	62,910	26,790

Unfortuatly all have, I think, high to very high STDEVs. I will propably have to do more hunts in other to get a better picture.
[ And yes, the results are that bad ... ]

Maxed-out versus unmaxed:
Even though the numbers are quite small and the STDEV is rather high I have started to think about some conclusions and tried to see patterns (that may not exist). One of wich is the possibility that I'm getting 'punished' for using unmaxed weapons. In other words: that a maxed-out weapon with a Dmg/PEC (eco) of 3.000 is better then an unmaxed weapon with an effective Dmg/PEC of 3.000. I don't know if it is, but if so then I hope that it will become clear.

EnKnuckles-1 and Mux-1:
As you can see in the table above, the return (%) of the EnKnuckles-1 and Mux-1 are close together. I did some calculations to see if there is any (combination of) parameters of these two weapons that are also close together. Sad to say that Excell that a little crash during that time.
Out of my head that I've tested: (1) Dmg/PEC, (2) Dmg/Sec, (3) PEC/Sec, (4) [Dmg/PEC]*[Dmg/Sec].
Will do better calculations perhaps later today.

Ardorj

 

Discussion (Part III):

Healing Costs:
One thing that I forgot the mention before: the cost of the S.I. H.E.A.R.T. per hunt. There are two things that caught my eye about this. First is simple to explain: each weapon has its own average healing costs. See this table:

-	S.I. H.E.A.R.T.	Healing costs (%)	STDEV (%)
Castorian EnKnuckles-A	0,20874	1,639	0,70
Castorian EnKnuckles-1	0,25010	2,252	0,93
Mux-1 EnergyGlove	0,08775	0,764	0,60
Mux-2 EnergyGlove	0,10669	0,703	0,37

The average decay per hunt with a weapon is listed under 'S.I. H.E.A.R.T.' What I mean with the Healing costs (%) is the procent that the average decay takes for the average result. In other words the first hunt with the EnKnuckles-A got a TT-return of 13,49668 PED with a healing-decay of 0,17100 PED. The healing cost (%) for that hunt is then 0,17100/ 13,49668 * 100% = 1,267%.

So far, so good. There is a significant difference in the healing costs for each weapon and that has to be taken into account when calculating the returns. What is of a good interest is where the difference comes from.

But now for the second part conserning the healings-costs. The Standard Deviations are, again, high. With some hunts I would have to heal alot while on others just a few times. When I hunt, I almost exclusively hunt and say a few words on socchat. One can then expect that the times when I talk a lot on socchat will be the hunts with low healing-costs and vica versa. But then is not the case, there is no correlation. I can't say yet what is causing the difference in healing-costs (remind you, I'm talking about comparing the costs for every hunt with a specific weapon). Why I'm making so many words about something rather small is .... it may not be. Take a look at the following table (these are the hunts with the Castorian EnKnuckles-A):

S.I. H.E.A.R.T.	Return (PED)	Healing Cost (%)
0,17100	13,49668	1,267
0,27900	10,61150	2,629
0,18000	13,28556	1,355
0,09900	11,38712	0,869
0,26100	12,20281	2,139
0,30600	12,74728	2,401
0,20300	10,53444	1,927
0,13500	20,02965	0,674
0,11300	15,68557	0,720
0,29300	13,93731	2,102
0,27900	16,29061	1,713
0,18900	12,14815	1,556
0,26100	09,96420	2,619
0,18900	16,96664	1,114
0,20700	14,03428	1,475
0,30600	10,47057	2,922
0,24300	14,00579	1,735
0,09900	16,11198	0,614
0,15300	11,72475	1,305

Please someone correct me if I'm chasing a 'coldfish-sensor', but what I see here is as follows. When the healing-cost goes down (for whatever reason that is), the return in PEDs will go up.
Just made a small graph in Excell and it looks like I am chasing a 'coldfish-sensor' ... ahh.
View attachment 7989

Ardorj

 

Discussion (Part IV):

The Global Problem:
There is on thing that keeps buggering me now. First a little note about the lack of updates. I need more time on Planet Earth nowadays and when on Planet Arkadia I've done some other things like skilling Longblades and Shortblades.
What I call 'the Global Problem' is something I can't solve on my own. The question is: what to do with the globals I've gotten?

Solution 1: just keep them
The simpliest solution. Why should I even do something with the globals at all? There can be no doubt that I globalled a few times and it's a positive thing. There is what the Global Problem is all about for me. I've gotten three globals now, see this table:

[TABLE"]MaturityWeaponGlobal SizeReturn (%)YoungMux-216,48PED141,138MatureMux-211,86PED101,113YoungMux-112,13PED176,893[/TABLE]

To make it clear: two globals for 1360 Halixes killed with the Mux-2 is royally fuckin'up the results. I don't know what (if anything) is causing the globals. I asume it is random, but it can be weapon related? And what to think when I get a big global (>50 PEDs)? That will be a positive result by itself for every weapon.

Solution 2: delete those runs
Another easy solution and every global is treated the same. Downside is that it is then likely to remove a run that was good enough already without the global. And deleting the entire run might shift the total results downward too much for one weapon. Meaning for the Mux-2 that it will have a severe negative outcome with just these three globals.

Solution 3: Keep ~25% of the globalsize
When the global is lowered to the size of a good loot, then a good run with global will remain a good run. 25% of the first >16 PED global is still a 4,12PED nice loot. That is about the size of some of the minies I've gotten.
To prevent big globals (>50 PEDs) from still kick'in' too many PEDs in a run I could make a cap at 9,99PEDs. The downside is that I don't know what is causing the size of the globals.

Solution 4: Remove global, add 7,50PED
Every global is thus treaded equally and good runs can remain good runs. So far I can't think of a real downside for this solution, but maybe I miss something?

I've put these four solutions in the following table with the pro's and con's. But I will need help with picking the right solution. If anyone can think of a better one then he or she is more then welcome to it.

Solution	Pro	Con
Keep the Globals	1) Easy solution2) I've globalled, no altering of results	1) A big global will screw-loose the results2) I don't know if a global is random or not3) Globals are a rare occurance
Delete those Runs	1) Easy solution2) Same treadment for all globals	1) Possible to remove a good run if it wasn't for the global
Keep ~25% of the Globalsize	1) Good run remains a good run	1) A small global will be reduced to smaller size then some minies2) A big global will still screw-loose the results
Remove Global, add 7,50PED	1) Good run remains a good run	Don't know?

Ardorj

 

loot = loot. you got it, so you count it in. taking them out would screw up results imo. or go through the trouble of making 2 sets of data: 1 with and 1 without globals counted.

 

First off: thanks for all the +reps and thanks for my posts in here! It's great to know that others read this and appreciate it.

Yes, I see what you mean. That's the whole problem for me. I understand that it's loot and that I therefore should keep it. But on the other hand I am afraid that a big global will give me a return of >1000% on wich I will draw the wrong conclusion.

Discussion (Part V)
I've made four graphs this morning, all with and without the globals counted. For the without globals I've used the "remove global, add 7,50PED"-solution.
The graphs I made with the four most common parameters talked about when comparing weapons: 1) Effective Damage, 2) Dmg/Sec, 3) Dmg/PEC (Eco), 4) PEC/Sec. With all I made trendlines and added the formula (just used the ax+b) and the x^2-correlation. The latter is a measurement of how 'good' a trendline is and gives a value from 0 (terrible) to 1 (best). Easy to say is that it measures for every datapoint how much it is under or above the trendline. The better all points are on the trendline, the better it is then.
For a reason I can't explain Excell makes the return % into a value between 0 and 1. Therefore 1 = 100%.

1) Effective Damage
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2) Damage/ Second
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3) Damage/ PEC
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4) PEC/ Second
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Here it is in tableform:

-	Return (%)	Global Correction
Parameter	ax+b	x^2	ax+b	x^2
Effective Damage	f(x) = -0,010813x + 0,749521	0,007343	f(x) = -0,004702x + 0,734817	0,001754
Damage/ Second	f(x) = -0,020821x + 0,810907	0,070624	f(x) = -0,012489x + 0,778430	0,032066
Damage/ PEC (Eco)	f(x) = 0,098603x + 0,536988	0,925958	f(x) = 0,086694x + 0,566243	0,904532
PEC/ Second	f(x) = -0,086010x + 0,870128	0,791829	f(x) = -0,075312x + 0,858564	0,767182

The first, Eff.Dmg, is maybe not suprising not the parameter that determines the outcome. I am not sure yet what x^2-correlation can be acceptible, but I know for certain that when it begins with 0,00 it is not.
The second, Dmg/Sec, is also not. However caution must be taken to draw an overhastingly conclusion for this one, because it can play a significant role on high-regeneration mobs.
The third, Dmg/PEC or eco, has a x^2-correlation that I must admit not to have expected. It may very well be the only parameter that determines the lootoutcome.
The fourth, PEC/Sec, has I think also a neat x^2-correlation although not as good as the Dmg/PEC. Perhaps it contributes something like 25% for the outcome.

Conclusion (Continue or not to continue?):
That's the question and I've already answered that for myself: continue. For a couple of reason:
1) To perfect the formulas of Dmg/PEC and PEC/Sec and thus find out the turnpoint of breaking even.
2) I've done a lot more calculations, some look promising as well on first sight.
3) To determine if the loot depends on say 75% Dmg/PEC and 25% PEC/Sec. This will ofcourse be very mob-specific.
4) Because years ago I looted a Powerclaw (L) from an Eviscerator and I kept it till I could use it. I will have it maxed-out rather soon when I skill a bit more Power Fist.

Ardorj

 

So I'm going to continue a bit with the datagathering. This one is from saturday or sunday.
Also done a scary extrapolation: if what I do and calculate is correct then the break-even-point is at ~5 Dmg/PEC.
By the way: I continue to calculate the return here in the 'oldway', that is with the scanningcost.

Hunt 64: Castorian EnKnuckles-A

Proffessions:

-	Brawler (Dmg)	Brawler (Hit)	Dmg/Sec	Dmg/PEC
Before	27,4232	23,5389	5,14 (max)	2,738 (max)
After	27,4426	23,5683
Increase	00,0194	00,0294

Costs:

-	Decay
Castorian EnKnuckles-A	16,49409
S.I. H.E.A.R.T.	00,11700
Bukin's Blade	00,10200
InvestaFoe ES300	01,11600
Total	17,82909

Loottable:

Animal Hide	00,46000
Animal Muscle Oil	03,45000
Animal Oil Residue	00,78000
BLP Pack	01,02830
Explosive Projectiles	00,23270
Halix Hide	02,60000
Halix Tail	00,10000
Miluca Timber	02,85000
Nova Fragment	00,00112
Paint Can (Green)	01,75000
Paint Can (Olive)	00,10000
Socket I Component	00,20000
Soft Hide	00,10000
Strong Cloth Extractor	00,04000
Tier I Component	00,10000
Weak Cloth Extractor	00,07000
Weapon Cells	01,56050
Total	15,42262

Halix: 124
Return: 86,503%
Music: NoMeansNo = Dance of the Headless Bourgeoisie

Comments: Dancing with the Halixes and chopping of their mostly lootpoor heads.

Ardorj

 

This one is from monday-evening already. I haven't done another hunt yet.
Talk about this experiment with a socmate yesterday, he gave me some interesting new things too think about. Might post about those this weekend.
On another note: I will likely return to Calypso for a socmeeting and then do some other stuff there as well.

Hunt #65: Mux-2 EnergyGlove

Proffessions:

-	Brawler (Dmg)	Brawler (Hit)	Dmg/Sec	Dmg/PEC
Before	27,4426	23,5683	5,88 (+1)	1,151 (+1)
After	27,4675	23,6066
Increase	00,0249	00,0383

Costs:

-	Decay
Mux-2 EnergyGlove	26,68064
S.I. H.E.A.R.T.	00,07200
Bukin's Blade	00,20400
InvestaFoe ES300	00,75600
Total	27,71264

Loottable:

Animal Hide	00,38000
Animal Muscle Oil	06,63000
Animal Oil Residue	00,67000
BLP Pack	00,20070
Explosive Projectile	00,59470
Focus Lense Component	00,20000
Halix Hide	00,55000
Miluca Timber	02,50000
Nova Fragment	00,00028
Paint Can (Green)	00,77000
Socket I Component	00,30000
Strong Cloth Extractor	00,01000
Tier I Component	00,20000
Weapon Cells	01,33870
Total	14,34438

Halix: 83
Return: 51,761%
Music: Bad Religion = The Dissent of Man

Comments: The dissent of loot, my PEDCard and to the hellhole called Calypso.

Ardorj

 

I had a thought for you as well.
I think you should generate two sets of data - one which keeps the globals exactly as is, and one which replaces the globals as you suggested with a "good loot" in a range you're happy with.

I think there is definitely value to be had by examining over the course of say a year which weapons consistently global for you, or whether all weapons eventually get roughly the same global-rate.

 

Good idea about generating two sets of data, will do. And to examine wether or not one weapon globals more then others too.

Now on to the latest hunt, one from yesterday. After that I took a trip to Calypso for a socmeeting and doing some other small things. Like bleeding my PEDCard and doing little missions.
A socmate of mine pointed me out to these Developer Notes. It's about the four most important things for an efficient hunt. 1) 10.0 Hit Ability. 2) Relative cost, ie. Dmg/PEC. 3) Maxed out damage. 4) Hunt at your level.
In other words: it has been a bad chose of mine to take three out of four unmaxed weapons. I haven't checked yet if leaving the (maxed-out) EnKnuckles-A gives a better correlation of Dmg/PEC.

Don't really know when I'll be back again on Arkadia. I already don't like Calypso as much as I like Arkadia. But even then I might take a break from this experiment for a little while longer (or just doing say one hunt every week).

Hunt #66: Mux-1 EnergyGlove

Proffessions:

-	Brawler (Dmg)	Brawler (Hit)	Dmg/Sec	Dmg/PEC
Before	27,4719	23,6139	5,13	1,359 (+1)
After	27,4871	23,6364
Increase	00,0152	00,0225

Costs:

-	Decay
Mux-1 EnergyGlove	19,35918
S.I. H.E.A.R.T.	00,08100
Bukin's Blade	00,00000
InvestaFoe ES300	00,69300
Total	20,13318

Loottable:

Animal Hide	01,09000
Animal Muscle Oil	01,95000
Animal Oil Residue	00,37000
BLP Pack	00,16070
Explosive Projectiles	00,18690
Focus Lense Component	01,00000
Halix Hide	02,70000
Halix Tail	00,02000
Miluca Timber	02,70000
Nova Fragment	00,00054
Paint Can (Green)	00,35000
Paint Can (Olive)	00,10000
Socket I Component	00,10000
Tier I Component	00,30000
Weak Cloth Extractor	00,15000
Weapon Cells	00,65300
Total	11,83114

Halix: 77
Return: 58,764%
Music: Metallica = ...And Justice for All

Comments: Smouldering decay// Take my breath way// Millions of PEDs// In munites disappear
Darkening in vain// Halixes remain// All is said and done// Never is the HoF
Never

Ardorj