FAIR for ALL!!!! An Ideal Event Suggestion

I am sure you are aware of the current competition and the issue at hand is with the ubers being unstoppable with the gear they have and the difficulty of selling any of the loot with any kind of mu at all, ( most becomes TT food despite decent mu but just wont sell)., although the point of comp was to stimulate the economy, it hasnt worked as well as hoped, it has 2 neglected areas that are vital to the economy as a whole and especially to hunters that must sell the loot they get to continue hunting. mining and crafting.

Try this way next time, IF you are able to use a feature of the event system to restrict weapons, I would

Make a similar competion with or without time limit, but the difference is, NO WEAPONS other than ARK weapons could be used. If there is a way that a person registered to the comp can only use ark weapons while on ark, this would do several things

Ark weapons would be in high demand during event. so the following happens
mining goes up and the mu of mats on ark
crafting goes up and the mats to craft guns on ark
gun and other ark weapons go up due to high demand

this will help miners crafters and hunters during the whole event. It would be very well rounded, and would be fair to all. It wouldnt matter if there is an uber there or not. everyone has fair chance, hardest thing is getting the amount of bps out for large number of guns to satisfy the demand. The other issue needing to be address is the loot that drops that we cant craft with until bps come out. We have no bps for clothing or textures so, getting huge amounts of this in our hunting loot is giving us simple tt food. Which really hurts hunters on return from their hunt loot.

I would love to hear feedback from the playerbase and Ark devs, Dave and Cyrus on this one. I think this could be a way to make the most balanced competition with the exception of multi people on one avatar for 24h hunting. Which could be fixed with a time limit.

 

Sorry I dont think there is a big enough weapon supply. My frequency of weapon drops has gone way down since the comp started. It would obviously be very nice for crafters though.

 

I think with a demand on weapons more crafters would craft a more than adequate amount of weapons as long as bps for weapons keep dropping, this would actually help the crafters and miners, there would be a demand for resources that would cause them to sell quickly so the miners can get back out mining instead of being stuck with mats they cant sell, and the crafters would have a good supply of mats to craft with at reasonable prices, enabling them to craft more weapons and not be worried about it taking a long time for them to sell. the event wouldnt have to be as long as the current event either. I do recall Cyrus saying to me recently that they are pushing for drop rate of items to increase as well for hunters, which would also help.

With the above mentioned said, would u consider joining an event like this. If not like this give feedback on what you think would help to make it an ideal event. what would need to be changed or improvements made?

 

I was thinking of this last night while playing.... what happened in old PE before the crafting/mining economy was established. We got ped in our loots all ped was later replaced by oils as they were used in a lot of the crafting. So until more bp's drop and the population reaches a certain critical mass where it can sustain itself give us peds in our loot. Another shortfall is the lack of L armor in loot as well as L faps.

 

I think the problem with actually looting ped in loot has to do with gambling laws in Sweden and MA that does not wish EU to be clasified as online gambling.

 

Firstly I would have no problem with entering an "Arkadian gear only comp" I am using adjusted anabolic and cap-404A at the moment and I know of a few local alternatives to the anabolic. Putting aside my omegaton A series amps would make me cry a little. The other thing that would need to be considered is armour including plates. My shogun+5b is just about perfect for the low maturity huons and I really dont know what arkadian equivalents I would use if I had to find something else.

And as for dropping peds in loot... No, no and more no. Oils and such at least have the possibility of being sold for MU. Peds have at best their TT value, by definition. In fact I would rather see the ammo loot replaced by stackables, weapons, armour parts...

 

i had not suggested an entire arkadia only gear comp. I had only considered weapons, my reason being is there are not large enough finders and amps for miners and not enough L armor and I dont think any UL armor. I think that using any armor or mining gear would be fine. looking for more feedback on this. We may or may not use ark only amps and attachments for weapons, my first idea was based on only using ark weapons, everything else being acceptable despite where ever its from.

This is an ongoing idea that i want to mold with the help and suggestions of the community to create the best ever most economy stimulating event that EU has ever seen. SOUNDS EPIC RIGHT/// It can be with all of your help. the more fair the playing field and more categories of professions involved the more successful it can and will be, if we can sell it to the A team. Which i think do take a good look at great ideas.

All three major professions rely on each other to survive. So we need to get everyone involved, EVEN the sweaters. because we do have bps that need sweat. So with an opportunity that is fair to all, the miners will mine, sell their stuff, the crafters will buy and craft and the hunters will buy guns and hunt and sell loot that the crafters will buy and craft.

I am thinking a multi profession event. The hunting with similar cats as now, crafting based possibly on the type of items crafted or difficulty prof level like 1-6 with their own prizes maybe like UL bps or other stuff crafters like in their loot, crafters, please give suggestions of what would be good prizes other than UL bp's. It could also be based on most globals in category and a highest loot prize. And similar for mining, most globals of maybe certain ores or enmatters, most globals on them and a highest loot prize also, maybe they could get UL amps or finders or extractors or armor as prizes. or faps.

crafting event would be done with ark bps i would assume.

Maybe we could get this event ironed out to accompany the release of the texture and clothes, vehicle bps and the intro of the treasure huntiing system. This would incorporate another new profession into the event with prizes on treasure hunting.

any more thoughts or suggestions are helpful. please post them

Changes that would be helpful in this would be:

More item drops

More BP drops

Add bps for texture, vehicles, and clothes (which we know are in the works)

Introduction of treasure hunting

additional IFN grind missions. so even the people who dont win have worked toward somthing, like
attribute gains or skill rewards. or whatever reward is given for upcoming IFN challenges.

Little more balance in the loot pool. Taxes on LA's are high, however loot return is very low especially for some mobs like huon, which are similar to Levi on CALY.

 

Would it be possible to set it up within the event system. Where people sign up for events with tickets, On those events rules and restrictions can be set while the event is ongoing, like no vehicles or faps. and such. could we utilize this system to do this for an ARK only event? It would just be on a largest scale than an hour or 2 like the normal events, and would possibly bypass the permaban issue

 

I dont like this idea for two reasons.
1. Arkadia still got no brawler weapons so I wouldn't be able to compete even at a low category with my preferred weapon.
2. Arkadia got no ul weapons except smuggler weapons so I wouldn't be able to compete as I do not like (L) weapons, I prefer my Karma which I can repair all the time. (yeah uneco, I dont care it worked well so far for me and I prefer to put my peds in ammo rather then something that will break)

For economy reasons I'll buy (L) faps and possibly (L) armors if I feel the need to hunt above my level which also require me to buy (L) weapons but for normal hunts I will only use (L) faps and thats the way I like it so please dont stop my participation in events because I dont buy (L) weapons all the time

 

We don't at this point have the ingame event system on Ark, and unless something changed along the way that I missed, setting up events doesn't offer the option about controlling items (weapons) used other than (I think) melee only, or things like no healing allowed in the options. So maybe in future MA could add more options to that event system, but I suspect that would be a long time in coming.

The idea generally would be imporssible as the event system stands, or for an independant player run event to monitor, and as David said, for the A team to implement either without serious side effects.

 

Jenny,
While I do understand your thoughts on a UL weapon vs an L weapon have you done a ped comparison of your karma killer vs, the equivalent in an Ark L weapon? The L Ark weapons are some of the most eco weapons I have seen amongst and of the avaliable. Even though you may have to purchase them more often until you loot your own smuggler or win an event for one. I would strongly suggest that u buy say 1 ASI or ARK rifle or pistol respectivly that is near your gun that you know is uneco and just to a cost analysis on it. See how many rounds you can get thru the ark gun. They last a rediculouly long time which is great, the prices are cheaper for them on ark that other planets as well. I think that you will find that you would actually save money by using one. I would love to hear the feedback when you have done this. I also am a true brawler and am hoping that soon they will introduce some brawler weapons.

If anyone has done a cost analysis on any of the ark weapons vs weapons they previously used that were L or UL from other planets. I would be interested in hearing about it. Pm it too me and I will gather info and make another thread for it

 

I once did an analises between a CB-19 (fully skilled) and EWE-EP50 Ranger (not even close to fully skilled / lvl ~20) and well my tests came out unconclusive. Regardles of witch one I used both gave about the same return after spending 200 ped ammo.
The reason why I say my tests are unconclusive is that there is no way of knowing if I was lucky in loot when using the Ranger or unlicky in loot when using the CB-19.

I will have to run more tests inorder to make a conclusion and I'm realy not up to it now sins im saving up for a shop.

 

fopsie, i was actually thinking more of a comparison of weapon decay as opposed to loot.
like how much decay would you get on your cb19 after 200ped ammo used vs the decay on a ark30 for same amount of ammo used.

 

I included the decay in my calculations of total loot back then. Decay of a weapon is irrelivent if the loot compensates for the higher decay witch it appeared to do when I did the test.
For example lets say I dont wear armor nor heal and after 200 PED ammo the CB-19 only decayed 50 PED and I get 250 PED back from the hunt I break even. If using the same paremeters with the Ranger and get 100 PED decay and 300 PED returned I also break even making the decay of the weapon irelivant.

Wish I saved the excell spreadsheet so I could get acurate numbers.

 

Pm sent

 

I see what your saying but would have to disagree that the decay of the weapon is irrelivant if return is the same. That would defeat the entire purpose of weapons like MM or IMK2. because then decay not mattering means you could use anything to get same loot.

What im looking for or the purpose of eco so to speak is to kill the mob at the cheapest cost possible and get the same return or better with the least peds possible. So according to your own numbers it would seem that the cb19 would be more eco. because u need less peds to get the same return. and there is lower decay on your weapon. Because of this you have 50ped less tied up and a lower cost per kill, do that 50k times and there will surely be a difference. A factor that must be taken into account with the non sib non max weapons such as karma killer would be your miss rate will increase alot, and from what i understand, those peds from misses are not compensated back to u in loot. ie a lower return.

on another note to jenny, if not wanting to use peds to buy an L gun but for ammo, then fopsie's example is a perfect reason why you should consider L guns instead of non sib ul ones. if it cost an extra 50 in repairs on the UL that doesnt accomplish your objective of having more peds for ammo because your actually spending more on repair.

Is this not correct?

This is the type of info i want to get and distribute about the ARK weapons.

Because we are all trying to find the most effective way to kill our mobs, lowest cost, ect. and even though an item may be an L item some are well worth their weight in gold. like the p5a for example. I think most of the ark weapons are on par with this eco or better.

 

Not to derail the thread too much, I done the decay test on both ASI-20 Arctic and a laser pistol I got to borrow to do a decay test on.
Cant speak much for the laser one as I just decay tested that one for entropedia.

But I had one ASI-20 Arctic (L) and those guns sure are great, think the only way Breer p5a wins over this one is that laser amps is more eco then my beast...
Maybe with the correct Arkadia Rage amp on it it will out do the beloved P5a there too.

And I especially love the low tt on Ark guns vs Caly ones. 95ped tt for ASI-20 arctic 222.10 tt for p5a, which means I dont need to tie up too much ped in the gun when I decide to use one and you still get ~1200ped ammo with a beast amp on it I think it was.

But as Fopsie, I tried a small test of maybe 4-500ped/gun long ago using my Karma and Korss400 and didn't notice any noticeable difference in the loots. But if I would be a serious all time hunter I would try and get ped to buy one of the ul sib guns, but since I'm not a huge hunter I dont see a personal need to use (L) for the hunts I do.

 

since the asi20 is blp and p5a is laser, lets see if anybody has info on the cap202 which would be ark's laser pistol in same category.

any info anyone?

 

One of the current issue as a young planet is we still have a lot of basic items missing on the auction block. It will be hard for players to focus on using Arkadia equipment, even if they want to, when many of the TT+1/+2 lvl items aren't in the auctions for people to buy.

I am still using rage5/hotfoot5 with my TT+1 weapons when I should be using rage10/hotfoot10.

We need another around of mining and crafting events since the 2011.5 release.

jc