Competition Gold Rush 2014 - Hunting Division

Mindark will have to fix their code and demonstrate they have the ability to manage a game economy or all the older players will leave. Only a matter of time.

 

by whom?
you? we? us?

no answer no play i would say...

 

I remeber that one manufactier of cars sold several tousands cars.
Later has ben discowered that their product do not work as was expected because ther was one malfunctional part (brake).
They were not allowed to say to customers that they have nothing to do with that and that customers write support case to brake manifacturer.
They had to stop selling all cars and to call all customers and retire already sold product / vehicle - to solve the issue.

On ark we had similar prcendence-
Product-service in form of oratan event was offered to customers - players.
As soon was discowered that all big oratan lancers up to imortal do not drop loot - product- service was remowed fom market/ production/ game - ie event was stopped and ended for further investigation with platform provider.

...

 

By MA of course or if they dont, a external entity.

 

was more like a rhetorical question

 

2015-01-11 22:52 I lost a key due to disconnect and have sent in 5 or 6 extra follow ups they now no longer reply.
Its making Arkadia look bad.....

 

Hello dear forum!
I would like to share my personal experience in Arkadia Gold Rush 2014 event.
Knowing that Arkadian key TT BUG was fixed, I decided to start the event.
I arrived in Arkadia at 2014.02.12

Since my arkadia storage was empty. I brought with me :

25573 ped
486 laser ammo
455 blp ammo
622 enhancers (497.6ped tt)
1600 ped explosives
Later added :
354enhancers (283.2 tt ped)
20000 ped.

So for event start i had 48114 Ped. + 780.8 ped tt enhancers

My hunting setup was :

Imk2 t7 + Hyercharged a204 – 3.24 Eco
+ mark2 ranger sight and scope so total eco 3.3++
Fap : mod fap (sometimes mod hedoc, few times M600)
Negator (Ul) t0 – for shooting low lvl mobs in the big rooms.

All keys was bought for tt+25 ped.
In various times i bought about 170-180 keys. (some of them still in my storage)

Started to do ~8-10 keys every day.
So already 17 days i am doing keys.
Did not tracked exactly how many keys i used already, because all when i came in here was streamed, just twitch seemed deleted it because i havent saved it for more then one week.

At first instance i crashed , because i could not teleport to another floor. Seemed my hight was too short.
After my support , and talking with Arkiadia official Lars. Seems i found a way to go to another floor (drag a bar from teleporter and click by jumping around) .
Arkadia Official Lars offered to write support to get back key value, because it was even recorded(streamed) how i lost it.
I wrote support (after that i crashed like 10 times in whole 17 days). But none of my supports was answered.

Now I have total loot that was from 18526-1700(hedoc sold from mm prize) – 1000 (universal ammo from mm prize) = 15826

So overall Loss in 17 days in arkadia i have 32288 without enhancers (780.8 ped tt)


It is most awful return i had in my life with uber eco setup (3.3++ eco) in 17 days (1900tt minus per day).


But wait,
Aproximately i made 9 keys per day, 1 key cost is 200 ped TT.
In 17 days it is 17*1800=30600 ped tt.

In the end i figured out that my loss is almost same as my tt value 30600 + 3825(mu on key) = 34425 ped VS my loss 32288+780 enhancers = 34425 VS 33068 (the numbers are not accurate because some oils was sold and arkoins sold with some mu)

It is way too obvious that Arkadia Key 10 tt was not included even from start of this event.
I wont even try to imagine how much minus people are that hunts with lower eco setups.

I asked my socmate that is making uber eco hunt in aakas 02 since the event started . He calculated that he had -35k in his return by now and if he would not calculate his keys he would have 95% tt return as normal hunt.
So even he approved that his 35k loss was only from Key tt value.

This was pure statistic from us – as new Arkadia hunters.
I have never had so big loss in so short time with such eco setup.

Maybe it is time to answer a support or explain people in public, how it is so obvious that key tt is not included in loot, since it was officially said in forum that it is included.

I feel like lost trust of someone (arkadia/Mindark) that promised that our funds are safe during Event, and long Term results showed that (key tt value) bug was not fixed at all and Arkadia Golden rush Event participants lost more TT investment then all prizes are worth with Markup.

Best regard // yours Joda

 

My numbers also show what joda ials describing. It is published on the forum.

 

Anyone else that hears the echo of a totaly silent room w8ing for something to happen. The plot thickens .

 

Well, ark can't do much right now except flog mindark for the implementation, if it is their fault. They can't kill the event or modify it once it started.

 

They can make a statement other than

Arkadia team changed the instances right before the event, didn't test them, and told us we were wrong when most everyone noticed a problem. They put themselves in a no-win situation, refunding keys to the participants isn't fair to the people who started the event and quit when they saw it was bugged. Letting this thing continue is practically as bad. It should have been shut down within the first week when people noticed the problems.

It seems like they are just going to keep their mouths shut and let it go to the end though.

 

Well it would definitely be wrong to terminate the event now. Those of us who are competing clearly know what sort of returns we are getting and seem to have made a decision to press on.
I can understand people not being happy with how the event is working and choosing not to compete. I can understand people providing feedback. But I find the ongoing posts of outrage and such to be a little over the top. Compete or don't and take responsibility for your choice. Provide constructive feedback so that things can be done better next time.

Arkadia Studios will never participate in a "who's fault is it" discussion. It's not productive and it's damaging to the working relationship with MA. There may be vigorous discussion behind closed doors but that should never be visible to their customers.

 

In all respect you are sounding like the discussion is out of hand, all that is being said that is for sure a fact and proven by many is that the instances are broken. I havent seen many screaming but just telling how it is right now.

If you ask me I would think refunding the key TT for participants would be more then fair but I guess that will never happen.

(no matter what I will finnish my keys aswell but will think twice before I go again if another situation comes up since well.....its alot of money lost)

//Linz

 

I don't think refunding the key TT would be fair either. The number of participants was greatly reduced because of the key problem, I have to agree with KikkiJIkki that people are all stuck with their choices now. I've posted quite a bit of constructive feedback through support as well as a little on the forum.

My last piece of feedback would be to please respond to the feedback with some investigation next time instead of maintaining silence or telling us we're just wrong.

 

The problem was brought up much sooner than that, nearly 2 weeks before the event by me in this post and possibly by others beforehand. I alluded to it previously myself in this post where I should perhaps have explained more clearly. The Arkadia team had the chance to address the problem before the event began, but as you can see in the post directly after mine, they chose instead to deny it.

I can't take any credit for identifying the current problem though, because when I made those posts I was actually thinking about the TT returns in the old chest system, which have always been way lower than standard hunting loot (when including key costs). The new system appears to be even worse, for some reason.

 

But why not?
To me this feels like the fairest way to go.
Key values are missing from the instances so everyone's extra loss should be pretty much worth the value of the keys they've used(give or take a couple %) so just refunding any used keys (TT value of keys only) should be the easiest way to rebalance things to where they should be.

Not that I expect this to happen but it seems fair to me.

 

The reason it's not fair is because a lot of people quit the competition because of the high cost of competing. If MA held an event with a 30k entry fee only a few people would enter even if there were great prizes. If they were to then hand out the prizes and give back the entry fee I think all of the people that would have entered a free contest have a right to complain.

I'm saying this even though I would get some small amount of ped back and friends of mine would get a very large amount of ped back. To give the ped back should also remove the prizes which, I think, would make the people that competed even angrier. This is why I feel it's a no-win situation at this point.

Looking back at the timeline Oleg's right, it shouldn't even have been started.

 

Hello Dear Forum!
Sorry to hear such opinion from you, is it would be different if instead 200 ped you would lost 40k?
Yes, about event, i did not noticed in start about key cost, i even asked Mindark Official Lars in private in middle of event. He again confirmed that keys is included.
So in case what i did wrong here is trusted a word of Game Creators and shot blind not counting my return until i saw that hardly can buy bullets from my ped card.

For me ? It is better if i got back my lost money, i dont care prize any more, i lost 17 days of nonstop shooting (that is superboring making same scenario 10 times a day).
My time + Lost money is more than ever prize will cost.


Best regard // Yours Joda

 

Thing is if you wana win any reward in top 10 what wroth 5-10k max, you must lose for sure 20-30k !!!!
For sure is buged, so after event end we all must make support to compensate key tt, so we gona lost mu NP, but tt value must be refund!

 

I know how are u feeling , and to prove this I can share u my personal experience during MM event, and MA did bother to answer a stupid msg so dumb that I m shocked

here's the video