Petition to raise funds for Marty Anderson

This is true, but those times there were not many repairers on board. There were only 1 or two RK-5s on most stations, I believe (I was there and recall it distinctly since i had 2k ores on me at the time!). SI is important but repairers are even more important. Even a ship with only modest SI and a hoard of repairers will be very hard to shoot down, think half a dozen RK-20s at each station. Privateers might actually have a big advantage here because the repair points are so close together and there are only 2, though I'm not sure how many repairers can fit in that room, but I'd say... 10 on each station at least?

I know it will negatively impact the volume and convenience of interplanetary trade, but I'm still looking forward to when logout safety is removed. It will make space much more interesting, require more teamwork and organization, and I'm sure we'll see a lot more fleet operations and convoys, which will make things a lot more fun.

Question... would a warp mine bring down a whole fleet or just one ship?

Note to mods:
We have some good discussion here I think, and even tho it's been discussed before, space is changing, so it's good to bring people up to speed on what safety issues there are now. I hate to ask the mods for a favor but maybe we can split the relevant posts into an appropriately named thread like "Warp flight safety" or something? since the "petition" issue in the title has already been addressed by Marty and others and isn't being discussed anymore.

 

Depends on the warp drive of each ship and the respective captain skills of the pilots Neil - a mine definately has the potential to pull as many ships out of warp as do lack the capability to dodge the mine. This can also easily backfire on the one placing the trap if there is to much traffic

 

The warp mines can pull out at least 2 ships we have seen so far. So could have the potential to cause problems for those travelling in convoys. On the other hand... Pirates don't want to pull out too many good guys at once

 

Very interesting... have you done any testing on warp mine range? in other words, will the warp mine pull in a ship if the warp path is X AU away from the mine? I'm assuming that's how they work.

I can say, convoys are awesome. Some of the best fun I've had in game was in quad convoys.

 

would be nice to know that how many au they pull from

 

oooo how the times have changed did you not get the memo:fineprint: they have a MS now:huh:. And saying you have 100% no looted Is not necessarily all true you let ppl think you have never had anyone looted on your ship when you have had ppl looted, you your self was looted once correct?

So 100% has now dropped to 99.99% big words and talk got no further than the price of your tickets/service. You claim that Marty paid 1 ped for a flight but fail to explain that they have to make a substantial investment in ped to get the cheap ticket you claim.

And you also fail to explain that you charge your passengers for every stop they get off on so if I go down to each planet you charge me for every one how is cheaper? Your statement implies your service is as far cheaper then those other service providers that charge one flat rate fee to travel with them and go to all the planets for that one fee?

Yes if done properly with the log-off feature they can be as safe as a ship with a 1 million si on each point. You boast about your si but also fail to mention to the general public that the si for a MS it split between 4 ports not just one, so if your si is a whopping 100k you still only have 25k on each given point. A skilled pirate knows this and no matter how skilled your pilots may be they still are governed by the maneuverability of the MS which is well… like a whale in a puddle slow. And yes their range is far greater than the guns on a ms which again is a plus for them.

And yes Neil you were lucky to be able to log-off and save your loot it might not be so easy if the ship was attacked by another MS and quads. I think a ship with high si is a benefit for sure. But to down play other services is just in my own opinion unclassy and to try to promote your business on someone elses thread is well….. Unclassy as well.

What you might find out sooner or later JBK is that treating ppl like values customers and not trying to dazzle them with so called brilliance and baffling them with B.S. what you might try is not sugar coating the sour apple because sooner or later the will hit the sour spot and be like WTF? Or maybe that is what has happened since your promoting your service here?

**Just a side note some of those other service providers have not been in business as long as the Normandy and are doing considerably well in increasing their si. And making ped despite their short coming you might think they have, customer relations is more than look at the size of my ….. ships si.

 

I think a few things badly need stating here:

most importantly: stating facts is not badmouthing. Way back when, there used to a lot of "badmouthing" going on between rival services- most of which was directed against the Normandie, and most of which concerned the owner's supposed personal motivations, not the service itself. Very much like your post, indeed.

That is all in the past, and most of us want it to stay there. Nobody badmouths anybody else anymore (unless badmouthing Goldy/ernestj counts? ) Reading "badmouthing" into statements of fact, then using that opinion as justification for a bit of actual badmouthing, is not the least bit helpful. If people are gonna be oversensitive about it all, and start sniping in response, then we are back to square one

Secondly I'd like to point out that that this has (unsurpisingly) become a thread about safety in space. You cant just pick out one of the posts and call it off-topic

Thirdly, I'd like to point out that - whilst I don't agree with all of John's opinions- he is a very opinionated man, and also the kind of man who puts his money where his mouth his (surely a good trait). Thus, the service he provides is a direct result of his opinions.

Think about this: given that much, how the hell can he , you or anybody know where to draw the line between promoting his service and stating his opinions? There is no line. One is a reflection of the other. And I can tell you (as a longstanding Normandie crew member) there have been times when he went along with his principles rather than do the commercially sane thing. Whether you agree wit him or not, the man is decidedly sincere.

To be absolutely frank , I personally think that John went a bit too far towards "promoting the service " here. But then , on reading comments like "you started your sly little thread on the other forum, everything you seem to post or say about space is geared towards giving you a personal advantage" I can see that he might as well do the very thing he's getting accused of. Then at least you can't call go on calling him "sly".

Can we please stop (mis) reading other people's intentions? That doesn't move any discussion forward and only creates hostility. In a discussion about safe spafety, we do want and need to hear the opinion of people who run MS services, or else such threads will disappear up their own backsides. Now, if they can't state theior opinions without beiing accused of badmouthing the competition etc, then chances are they'll just keep quiet. The discussion here has been civilised , by and large. Why rock the boat?

jay

 

really now?
you still dont answer the question but continue to promote your personal servicee, why mention the price if your only intention is to inform people of risks, the OP is informing people of the risks, you, at best, are preening your ego, and at worst, trying to promote yourself over the back of someone elses misfortune, and i have travelled with your service and EFA, i am a customer, nothing more, nothing less... and i find the way you are behaving extremely revealing...

 

I really dont have a problem with the self promote of a service because behind ever rock there is a shadow, and all you have to do is look at what is hidden in the shadow. JBK spends alot of ped in running his business so some free promotion is good lol by the way Angels of arkadia is stock with items to help you repair your ship should you get shot down :whistle:

 

you realize noone mentioned any service providers name for comparison until you did right ?

the reason i mentioned the price for whom he flew with me is obvious, your accusation was that i try to win on the loss of others - now try to put stuff into relation please and check how much impact me winning 1 ped once in awhile is compared to pirates winning 1k+ peds - what do you think might be the more important reason to me.
If i was looking just on the peds wouldnt you agree that me running a logged out transport like certain other providers would be much more on the money then spending peds on ammo to protect our passengers again and again ?
Your opinion is predertermined thats for sure and im certain you will find another way once again to misread what i just tried to explain to you yet again.

 

Anthony dearest, please engage your brain before you open your mouth and let you belly rumble.

Spouting such nonsense on an open forum does zero for any credibility you had.

I guess you have missed the thread of ToS blowing up said mothership countless times...

Also... engaging in battle together with other servicce providers who you are affilaitated with, so we all could rid the area of the pirates and get on our merry way.

Thats the thing about space, behind the "supporters" who bitch and complain, there are serious transport operators who are kindly and respectful to each other, even a sense of camaraderie of space, - oh how I wish this would filter down their ranks sometimes.

The quote is 100% passenger safety record. Which is 100% true. Providing almost 2 years of actual safe transport, thanks to our amazing crew and the ship - but im not here to advertise so ill move on.

Quite the contrary, 4 warps for 4 peds. As simple as that.

Not quite. Picture the scene...
*unsafe* ms lands at atmos. All looks clear, writes on a public website " its all clear, you can log in".
Pirates read the message, enage the ms.
As those pour souls are logging in ,the ship is already under heavy attack
Pilot types as fast as they can for everyone to log back out.
Too late.

Quite the opposite Anthony, we absolutely pride ourself in our customer service, ensuring customers are always 100% satisfied. I've actually seen the chat from some other ships, and was shocked an appalled at the way they treated their customers. Certainly something you would not see from Mandie's friendly crew

Anyway im going to stop quoting you, as its as usual you spouting some crap, in the hope that some might stick. I am sure those clever entropians out there can see past your attempts at smearing.


Back on topic - The reason this issue has raised its ugly head now is simple, there has been A LOT of people losing a lot of loot from "accidently logging in" or "pilot error" or even just not enough crew/si to defend.

For so long the providors out there who genuinley do provide a safe service, have bit their lip as the time and time again people fly with someone the customer thought was safe, and lose their loot.

Imagine choosing an airlines, who claims to keep you safe in real life. When you have a look too see their safety record... its hidden. No one speaks. Why not? Why cant you find out just how many times they have crashed! or indeed, just how much ped their passengers have lost.

And in the mean time, those who to date has proven 100% customer safety, has to bite their lip and not dare say a word.. as if you do - post like Anthony and his attempt to try and defame ToS happen. You are shouted at for having an "agenda". Sure there is an agenda - passenger safety!

its really blooming simple, the more peds are lost in space, the more money the pirates have. Believe it or not we are fighting the same battle here! I want the pirates to get as little loot as possible just as im sure many of you do - but keeping all shushed up about the fact that people are being looted on motherships by pirates, is doing exactly what the pirates wish - lulling people into a false sense of security.

 

We did quite some testing with mines a few months back, It is really blooming expensive though! lol We tested for a few hours, many many mines down, and lots of warp drives broke

Got us some great results though, as we tested extensively the differing pilot levels, mine and warp sizes.
Makes all those hours skilling pilot not so useless after all
However, there is still a lot more we could test, a few hours work isnt really enough for any conclusive findings.

 

lol wondered how long it would take for you reply in defence to JBK

 

To be fair... I really waited all day long I had promised myself I wouldn't.. but but but... the temption was too great with your post

 

First I should say that I try not to preferentially promote one warp service above another on the forums (or in private for that matter either), since I'm an adviser and I don't want people to think that one service is officially endorsed by arkadia studios (not that I'm an Ark official anyway ofc!). If people ask me in private which service I recommend based on safety or customer service I'll tell them what I think. But anyway... I've had good experiences with all the major transport services, and I've had some less than stellar experiences with some pilots/ships as well. I can say that JBK runs a tight ship and is good with customer service. They also have a flexible pricing system even tho the "one off" standard flights are not the cheapest, and I do like the relatively safe atmo docking, since that way it only costs me 5 ped total each flight, IOW like a ped more than what I'd pay flying in a quad. Kronan shaves that price down a bit if I'm making multiple flights per day. And XXIV and MacReady are sometimes very convenient at odd hours of the day when I find myself in need of secure transport. They are all good services, each has different strong points and weak points.

When safe logout is removed, all ships will need to make sure they have adequate repairers on board, even Normandie... no more single-pilot single-passenger VIP warp flights unless you're not carrying any loot. The good news is that more passengers will actually be ONLINE during the flight, therefore, more repairers... and you can bet the ones with loot won't be afk at their posts! I wouldn't be surprised if more of the big ships that are just sitting idle now get used more then, if for nothing else, as convoy escorts for their guns and to secure warp points.

 

Just a little FYI I’m not affiliated with any single service so "please engage your brain before you open your mouth and let your belly rumble. Spouting such nonsense here on an open forum, you know this does zero for any credibility. Make sure you know what you talking about before you make any accusations. Just because I prefer to use one service more than others does not make me an affiliate of theirs.

I only have hear say on this so i will give you the benifit of the dought on that one.(only because they have not been on line for a while now)

Really? As simple as that? No where on your website does it show 4 flights for 4 ped? So I call B.S. …… ooo that’s right it so new you have not had a chance to update your website. That say 10 ped per flight. Everyone knows How JBK is so I do not need to elaborate on it but you are a very loyal supporter of JBK and a great massager of his ego, and forever coming to his defense like any good puppet with his master. See I can be rude too but I choose not too it shows the true restraint on my part.

Yes quite, if you read what I wrote you would have understood I said if done properly key word (*PROPERLY*) ie; “long out in safe zone SS, long back in save zone SS”

So the grove of unhappy customers that were set off by your so called cheaper flights that they later found out were hidden prices must all have be disgruntled passengers that no one can satisfy? meaning they got off on one planet to find they had to pay to go to another planet even after they just paid the 10 ped???

Really? I would love to see those chat logs if they even exist because the ships I have flown on were very polite to their passengers, with the exception to this one guy who log off because he was going AFK until his destination and did not follow instructions to go to the web chat to follow updates. And when he logged back in a missed his stop he then thought the ship should vip him and his buddy to the planet they needed to go to. It was quiet funny had he followed instructions all would have been well. What would the Normandy have done in that situation after flight is over they log back in an demand you to vip warp them to their destination?

As you should because it just shows how well you read and understand what someone writes. And as far as the crap sticking well….it stuck very well because you guys just double talk your self like 4 flights for 4 ped that simple. Prove that statement all your info on your website states differently unless you make a substantial investment and even then it does not add up.

See you guys say flight and fail to mention that a flight is to a single stop not if I want to get off on caly get some stuff then come back up and get off on RT and finally go to ARK that would be 3 flights that would cost me 30 ped if I had not paid in advanced with your so-called ticket system am I wrong or right?
I’m right, so please feel free to tell the true because the truth will set you free. See is all anyone has to do is go look at your website
http://www.titans-of-space.de/pricelist.shtml and the pricing page to see what I’m saying is not crap but the truth. What you try to say is simple putt misleading and not fully disclosing the whole truth, but just a part of it. This is to make it seem like you have a cheaper service than you really have.

See again about you, no one said to bite your lip we just say, "don’t double talk yourself say it plain and simple English, not this blah blah look at me, I'm so great. Your claim is we have better prices, but what you fail to say is that you have to invest 25 ped to get a 5 ped flight, 40ped to get a 4 ped flight, 300ped to get a 3 ped flight. And your flight is to each planet you get off on or SS (Scheduled warpflights are charged per planet/station you are going to visit.) copied from your website.

So if I bought a 25ped ticket an wanted to visit all the planets I would have spent 25ped with you verses 5 ped with other services out their. And seeing how we are on cost let us look at your great monthly rate of 100ped for any flight you have and you say it cost 1.08 ped preflight. But other services offer the same subscription for 50ped a month that equates to an average of .38pec preflight.

And yes we are all on the same team but with you guys saying other services are less superior is counter productive to what you are saying.

 

4 peds for 4 warps... i've helped at least two of my disciples sign for the deal and they've each taken their first flight, so it really is valid. For first time passengers only tho, or something like that.

I don't think there's been any hiding of "true" costs. Yes I had to buy 100 warp flights up front to get my 3 ped per flight... but since I can travel any time... not travel for a month if I want and I never have to worry about "wasting" subscription time. It's really a super deal. And the bulk purchase of multipasses doesn't exist for the purpose of stealing peds... its primary function, as I see it, is to save time at boarding time (no need to pay make 100 different trades, just one). Plus, it's just fun to say multipass! ... that's worth something. I very much appreciate the flexible options and I think other services would be smart to offer more as well.

Anyway... price lists are WAY off topic for this thread, and that I'm sure about, LOL.

 

I honestly dont think they will take the log-off feature out of the game

 

Right Neil it is a one time thing i guess not a continual offer for all or at least it does not mention it on their website which is where all information is based from hearsay is just that hearsay. Not to say it is not a valid offer because I know they have a free month for new riders to show you how they operate.

 

Funny how a thread where one passenger of a certain service provider lost over 1k ped like others before him who traveled with that service provider is first called out by Anthony that stuff like that can happen in space and then hes trying to discuss spaceflight pricings to show where one could fly cheaper under certain 'conditions' - yeah right keep making yourself look like you do
Get a grip man , your favoured service has lost passenger loots in exess of 20k ped total and you run around blaming others for voicing the issue - are you a kid that has to find another guilty person or really grown up to stand up for the shit that happens ?

You got any idea how many flights these passengers could have bought for 20 k peds ? Hard to make up that difference.