Sooooo......How bout them mod loots.

Soooo how many of you are enjoying the Mod loots that are suposed to be happening?

This topic is based on the economy even though I use current happenings in mining
for examples as that is my ingame prof where I have most of my knowlege based. There
are also prominanant evidence in space as well as past hunting examples.

How many of you find you are getting the same or worse loots as this is necessary
to feed the new Mod loots to the player base. How many of you actually pay attention
to the world you play in and see what goes on other then what happens moment to
moment as you click away your time in game?

Well I am one of those people that have thru habit actually payed attention to
my surroundings and what goes on within them. For example (there are many others
I could use but this is the most recent example) the recent migration
of Entropia Universes super miner. I first noticed his return
to regular mining the day before the avatar VU came when he within the course of
approximatly 10-12 hours he hit over 70 hofs on FOMA. I and several other people
thought this to be a red flag that something was wrong and submitted suport cases
to MA that this be looked into. I am not saying he is or is not using questionable
practices to do this but the last time we saw this behavior in mining there was a few
avas that got banned for that ocurrance. They only held 50% of the hof board daily
when using their tatcic therefore I had to question the happenings with Super miner
doing about 50% more within a shorter period per day.

After the VU this started happening again so I decided to take a trip to FOMA to see
if this is simply a really hot period in time for FOMA or if something questionable
was indeed going on. So I hopped a warp flight to Calshitzo, hung out a day with my soc
and took my quad to FOMA. (Obviously I was killed immediately by one the camp ass pussy
Pirates but thats a whole other section I think ties into what I am on about) Anyway...
I get to FOMA, spend a bit of time bouncing the shops to see how the economy on FOMA
has changed while listening to a soc mate talk of his mining experience there as he
was dropping a few to change his routine as he is mainly a hunter. As normal he was
getting what was expected, long nrf strings and a few crappy non global claims in
between these streeks. The whole time I am there Super miner is spamming globals and
hof's sometimes 5 or more in a row as well as some other ava who was stokin up a nice
string of bell ringers.

I found a shop with respectable amp prices and grabbed 3 level5 amps and it was
off to the races. Now for those not familiar with me I am a miner by trade with
level 53 prospecting, level 39.5 surveying and level 23 treasure hunting ranks. I have
played for over 6 years and have a pretty good grasp on how mining works as well as the
questionable mining practices that have been used by unscroupuless miners in the past
that have been caught and banned causeing much problems in the in game economies. So
Off I go into the wild life of mining in the domes. I bounced the domes a bit in hope
of crossing paths with Super miner or the other guy so I could observe and ponder what
was going on. That sadly did not happen. In the course of my mining I had a respectable
non amped hitrate for FOMA mining and thought well maybe its possible it is a hot time
to be here. In the end I was shown it was not. I did get a few bell ringers but nothing
on the scale these guys were hitting. 3 maybe 5 globals per amp but certainly no strings
of globals like they were getting and only one small hof In all that. I did however learn
that one of these qquestionable practices I mentioned earler was in fact being used.
I wont go into detail here in regards to that as we dont need more people out there doing
this but I have let pertinant people know what I have found.

Now Back to Arkadia these last few days... Here I and others have noticed Super miner
has migrated to our lovely planet and is now spamming our chats with an avgerage global
rate of one every 2- 3 minutes with many in strings of 5- 7 in a row on 8 coins. Over
the last few days I too have hit 8 coins resonably hard investigating to the best of
my ability what is happening. So far as I can tell nothing has changed in mining. I
still have a stable claim to drop rate, I still end each run with roughly the same
tt per ped spent ratio as I have for years now. I did however notice my claim rate
drop from 1 in 3 to one in 7 since this last patch but my claim size avge went from
II and III claims to nearly ALL claims showing up as VI's but still same ending results
tt wise.

On with the experiment. After hanging out all day doing radio things I was tired and
was thinking of falling asleep to a movie. Til I noticed Super miner started spamming
again as I was standing in qarry talking with friends. Again the focus fell on this
spam. Needless to say this angered and motivated me to do some more investigating.
I decided since alot of poeple try to justify these happenings as somehow normal
that I would do a run on 8 coins using various finders amped and not amped with a level
10 amp. I posted the claims as they came in a skype chat so these happenings could be
observed and discussed as they went on. Thru the course of that run not a single bell
ringer came. I had even used the last half of the amps tt up in sanctuary cove to rule
out the possibility that 8 coins has been over mined and was dry. This was not so as
Super miner was able to continue the chat spam with his globals the entire time.
Soo after a long winded wind up.. I pose this to all of you to try and rationalise
and discuss and I will not say another thing in this thread.

1.Is or could this Super miner be using some sort of exploit to be able to do this.
( I am not in anyway accusing him but merely questioning the happenings)

2. If he is not using some sort of exploit how is it that he has come to Arkadia
and can do these amazing things that many of our best local miners who have been
here since day one can not even come close to doing.

3. IF this is all part of the new mod loots MA promised are we STILL in that
mode where only certain players benefit from these mod loots as has been the status Quo
for years as we all get to finance their happiness.

4 if no exploits are in effect and it is simply due to the fact he is cycling crazy
ped to accomplish this and NONE of us playing at mid to low expenses has the chance of
success should we even bother staying in game if it simply boils down to he with the
most money to throw at EU wins thus bringing up MANY MANY legal questions.

I have now eliminated the excuses:
You dont have high enough skills.
You cant use big enough gear yet.
You dont have enough in game knowlege.
I had eliminated you dont spend or cycle enough ped early on in my EU life.
Not many excuses left now that dont lead down ugly paths.

Ponder away and post your thoughts and knowlege of EU.

Myself .. I will be pondering what to do next as I do not tolerate being blatantly shit
on and taken advantage of when the tables we play at are obviously not equally balanced
and need to work out an effective way to force a change.

 

The questions I have are: where are "super miner's" ark minerals going? They're not being put into the market, and they don't sell on calypso. So they must either be getting TT'd or sold directly to crafters. I also assume he's using level 13 amps, since you can't spam globals with anything else, and since I doubt there is a UL level 13 amp in game (?).... even if he buys them or crafts them at 140% it's a huge loss, even more so if the loot is going to the TT. If he's not using a level 13 amp, then I'd like to know what the secret is, because the rest of us don't get these results....

 

What a funny long post lol.

Self crafted/sourced from good friends level 13s

 

Long post, no actual research what the guy is doing (source of the level 13 amps might explain some things, in example where the ores might go). Just imagine the crazy idea that he has an deal with an friend / soc mate?

Lot of envy between the lines tho, well not so between the lines actually.

 

I see no drastic change in loot patterns thus far. Good luck with the theories.

 

Ohh I see this has drawn nearly the responce I have expected..Not quite as fanboish but we did manage to catch one or two people protecting the intersts of the ones above the glass ceiling. Soo someone I believe mentioned I have no facts...Well just for shit n giggles lets throw some facts out on the table and see what that stirs up.

Lets start with facts...
Fact 1. level 13 amp 340 ped tt
Fact 2. http://www.entropedia.info/Info.aspx?chart=Blueprint&id=1465 http://www.entropedia.info/Info.aspx?chart=Blueprint&id=1166
The two wiki pages for the level 13 amps. This shows materials used ( which I will welcome any of the uber crafters to post a screenie of their BP materials list should this info not be accurate)
Fact 3. Simple mathmatics. (a little supposition on my part but we will err on the high side and favor the opposite of my position)

We will start at tt value of a level 13 amp and bypass ANY question on cost vs return and give a MU of 200% which is well beyond the cost leaving us with a starting value per amp of 680 ped

Now I believe each drop with this amp costs 20 ped in tt value + cost of finder decay and probe costs. 340 ped / 20 = 17 total drops per amp. So we have a cost of 680 ped + 17 ped for probes (ore mining which was what was being spam globaled) + 4 pec finder decay per drop for 17 drops for a total cost of 697.68 ped.

So going by the assumption he was spamming level 13 amp drops means he was amping every drop that equals a respectable amont of ped cycled in a very short time frame. Judging by how fast the globals were going by he was hitting at an insane rate very close to every drop being a global. I was going to grab facts from the tracker but super miner has his stats set to private..so I cant get the exact number.

Assume then since his global rate was so high we will give him the benefit and say it was only 50% of the amped drops were globals. We will also say that each global was the minimum of 50 ped. So 8.5 x 50 ped gives us 425 ped minimum back just from globals. So that would give us a WORST case senerio of this to be 697.68 total cost -425 return from the globals leaving a loss of 272.68 ped in the WORST case.

Now lets go back and redo the math more realisticly and see where we end up. I just looked at the actual in game MU according to MA tracking and it is at 171% today for the level 13. (again probably NOT accurate as I am sure like a few people already stated Super miner is NOT buying amps at that price because he uses so many and probaly gets them at a decent discount.) At 171% the amp cost drops from the 680 ped to 581.40 thus the total cost per amp used is now 599.08 ped. Redoing the math for a 50% minimum value per global that leaves a loss of 174.08 to be spread out and covered by the non globaling claims.

So that whole lossing his ass doing this thing is utter bullshit. Had he been getting the normal 1 or 3 globals the rest of us get I would agree and be keeping my mouth shut but this has NEVER been the case my entire time in game that certain people get to play like this ALL the time leaving the rest of us to pay them to do so. Now I will also add if this is so easy for everyone to do at this cost to return ratio wouldnt EVERYONE be doing this if this were "Normal" way the game opperates? No one else does this because this is not how normal mining works nor the results ANYONE else in game gets EVER.

So again I point you back to the 4 choices in reality to choose from non of which bode well for the NOT so privleged.

 

next time, why don't you just pm squall, and ask him what amps he is using, what markup he paid for them and congratulate him on his finds?

 

That really only happens in your head Trina. Like most of your conspiracy theories.

Lot of words, again no facts about what the guy is doing. What is his TT return rate? How many amps did he drop w/o any global before/after.. and so on. Did you even contact the guy and ask him about any of it?

Nothing wrong with a bit of paranoia Trina, so you reported him because you suspect him using the L amp repair exploit, thats fine. No value in wild speculations here on the forum without having any facts tho.

 

Well contrary to popular beliefs I do have friends around the Entropia Universe so to address Harmony.. I did something very similar since Super miner is NOT on my FL. I was discussing how he is able to do what he does on a consistant basis and as usual the fact that using high level amps CAN produce this effect I made the rerprise that It is stranage how he seems to be the only one able to do this as there ARE more then a few miners that DO spam the shit out of level 13's and again.. NO ONE (save 2 people) have EVER gotten results like this.)
That being said more then one person I was debateing with DID in fact on that day he got 70 + hof's right before the VU PM and gratz him and asked if he was using big amps and to their amazement his responce was that he was not. So I am not one to have others fight my battles chose NOT to involve these people in this as it in the eyes of the forum only hear say and would not be valid to use this information but since you have asked directly I pass on that it was in fact done but not by me.

Now on to Leaona.. dont put words in my mouth as you are turning this into an acccusation thread. This is a thread on the mod loots and the validity of its effects on everyone. The fact that you and a few others protecting the inner circle trying to rile me up into saying there is an accusation so you can get the thread locked is just aiding my points. Now since you refrence the Amp exploit I will address that with an answer. No. I was not on about the amp exploit but since you bring it up It is extremly questionable that the only two people publicly able to spam like super miner is got locked for that. For the record I was not the one who approached that subect when discussing all this. There are other "Tactics" being used in game that concern me far more then a trackable amp exploit that MA is NOT doing anything to stop at this moment.

Now as far as my conspiracy theories as you put them..Neither I nor you are in any position to get any answers from MA or any legal determination over whether this game is or is not gambling or some kind of digital pyramid scheme. I DO how ever know who is qualified and can get answers but no one in Entroipa Universe will be happy should I decide to invoke that processes.

Now unless you people have anything Valid to point out regarding the effects of the mod loots so far and possible and potential effects on the economy for EVERYONE take your bullshit of keeping the glass ceilings in tact back to Calshitzo forum. I for one am not going to let that elitest bullshit take root here on Arkadia.

 

i can only Valided say lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

 

if the superminer ur talking about is joe jeff.. i bet he made quite a losses yesterday or was it day before.. i didnt see him get any loot over 100ped while i was online.. maybe thats the reason he globalled so often.. coz he wasnt getting any big ones.. but yes in my eyes hes always had extraordinary hit rate even when he bombed oa-105 amps.. coz ive always struggled with mining all tho 7 years played now and havent even seen a tower yet

after this modified loot came a friend of mine dropped 1500 bombs with lvl6 amp in foma without hitting a loot over 100ped.. thats kinda impossible to believe but i saw it myself

 

Once again.. this is meant to be about the Mod loots and how they effect the economy and EVERYONE playing ...

The mining example was to show how my in game profession of mining has always favored certain people and certain behaviors. It is my opinion that it will be nothing more then the same old crap of the same old people getting the teachers pet treatment while the rest of us pay for them to have fun.

Trust me when there comes time to point fingers at people I am not shy nor am I quiet.

If people cant stop focusing on the example I will mod my post where there is nothing to base it on so more psople can go ??? and have the posts focusing on HOW super miner does what he does deleted by a mod.

IF for some reason you CAN NOT comprehend written english feel free to PM me for an explaination of my thoughts that might better make you see what I mean and NOT simply be some internet translators book definition of individual word interpretations.

 

Yes yes here we go again, MA hates you, MA is evil, you are genious and the rest of the world is filled illiterate monkeys.

Mod loots don't have any huge affect on anyone's returns (except for if you manage to get an uber), people who actually keep track of returns know this. They do however make people feel worse then normal when they have a few days of bad luck, making them come onto forums thinking the sky is falling (not targeted at you personally Trina, more a reflection on some pcf-threads). In my opinion it was a bad marketing move by MA.

On the other hand a lot of people are now complaining that loot is too flat, no big highs, no big lows, while others are complaining that there are too many high loots. In the end MA can't please everyone, and some people the can never please by MA(that one was targeted at you though Trina).

 

Well to be quite honest yes MA is Evil, no I am not a genious but dam close.. The military doesnt invite you to play on their nuclear submarines if you are not...and yes there are many illiterate people wandering around that cant grasp spoken words let alone written words unless someone is beat boxing along with it autotuned these days.

I will give you credit for at least getting SOME of what I am on about. I Just LOVE how when someone says something NOT going along with the responders current train of thought that it is automaticly whining or complaining in the digital world. But that just makes it easy to sort out who is educated and who is full of shit.

Its also funny to watch years and years of the people who seem to be getting treated fairly defend the way the loot works and the ones not getting treated resonably fair get dubbed as whiners and complainers. All some one has to do is watch the global and hof spam and they can figure who the golden children are which is why many people simply dont stay here. One would assume since MA talks a good game about how they want to make the game better for everyone that everyone would get mod loot for the better. But in reality MA speak that means MA gets more in their pockets, the golden children get more in theirs and the rest of us take it in the keyster paying for it all.

And for the record I have never complained about what loot I get.. just the lack of fairness in what is redistrbuted back for what is spent. specially after the mid level investments made in our avatar have been devalued to NOTHING while the big dollar players still have their loots come on silver platters with bells and whistles playing.

But in any case keep protecting that image and you continue to prove my points.

 

Conspiracy theories like this are mostly easy excuses for people who don't manage. In game or in real life, all the same.

And you are around long enough to know that just because someone globals and hofs a lot it doesn't mean profit, often quite the opposite.

 

Leona,
Do you realise how dumb you sound defending someone saying they are losing money all the time like that? Maybe in the countries where dope smoking is condoned people may believe that line of bullshit. I however do not partake and can still think normally. You can not honstly believe it youself that all these people are losing their ass for 6, 8 , 10 years that EU has been in existance do you. Some people can remember minute from minute where people cry they are losing money in one thread and complain their fucking withdrawls are taking too long in another....you cant win AND lose at the same time...

Not even severely addicted gamblers can keep losing streeks going that long AND still do what they do AND purchase Land areas... Serious dude tell that crap to people who cant think for themselves more then 5 minutes at a time.

 

MA is completely random and unfair.

A few years ago was cycling thousands of ped a hour 10k+ peds a day for weeks on end sometimes goin for vehicles crafting and never could break a couple hundred ped HOF. Fast forward a few years later after i've chipped out and with lvl 3 mining skills comes the biggest claim in EU for me. I've been a net withdrawer over my years too, so its not a pity claim. Trully random how MA distributes it. just have to be in right place at right time.

 

Of course not all people who global a lot are losing money on the game. I don't see anyone saying that in this thread.

I in example global quite a bit in hunting and i do fine. But then there are a lot of activities that we all know can produce a lot of globals and are often a big loss, definitely after markup.

Crafting ore amps on condition, dropping level 13 amps, Dynera laser sights... Those activities burn a lot of Peds per hours. To an unexperienced player it might look from globals chat like those people do well. But of course those are mostly Ped and markup burning activities.

If you want to proof your conspiracy theory that certain people are favored by MindArk (why would MA even do that? nothing to gain for them) then the example in your opening post is one of the worst i could think of.

Dropping a lot of level 13 amps and hofing and globaling a lot sooner or later.. everyone with a big Ped card can do that. How the balance looks after (especially considering markup), totally different thing.

But then again i meet 3 day old players who get that and some don't get it after years.