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As we dont have auction history only from Arkadia

Discussion in 'General Trading & Business Discussion' started by Yquem, Feb 8, 2012.

  1. Yquem

    Yquem Active Member Pro Users

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    I track all my selling from auction in a file.

    Use my list or not all up to you (First sale is 27-12-2011)

    Sold from Arkadia
    28-03-12
    View attachment 3721



    Sold from Calypso
    28-03-12
    View attachment 3722
     
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  2. dendricala

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    KikkiJikki Well-Known Member Pro Users

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    AuctionData doesnt track anything that goes for BO, right?
     
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    This is ecatly what i miss. Most of my selling on auction goes for BO.

    And we really need an ingame auction history for each planet to get better intergalaxtic trade...
     
  5. dendricala

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    i agree Yquem, i wrote tons of emails and threads on EF in order to have an open access to the WHOLE auctions data and a direct access to the globals/hof info (why not?).
    In the mean time, during EU just give you the Universal market value only (i guess a media of all the MV of the same items sold in any place of the universe) my AUCTIONDATA, calculate the MV of each zone, and we don t plan to make this different. So for the same resource, if there is, you have the MV on calypso, arkadia, next island and rocktropia. True, we have not the BO.... we are doing our best with what we have.
    But my AUCTIONDATA clearly show that can be profitable trade between planets..... for who has patience, intelligence, some money to invest, and a fast and maybe safe way to move around the universe.
    DC
     
  6. KikkiJikki

    KikkiJikki Well-Known Member Pro Users

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    I dont like to belittle other people's effort and god knows you must have put heaps of effort in to that site, but without BO data, the figures are not very meaningful. The vast majority of my auction sales and purchases are for BO. It's a pity MA wont cooperate with you to provide the additional info.

    This is why Yquem's effort is appreciated by me. It's only a small sample of data but at least in includes all of his sales.
     
  7. dendricala

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    kijikijijijki (why your name is so difficult ???? ;-) ) in effect we have an idea to how to fix this problem about BO.............. but it s a work in progress.
    In any case thx for recognize our efforts in the entropiabay develop. Like i said we do our best with what we have.
    dc
     
  8. Neil

    Neil Adviser Pro Users Arkadia Adviser

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    I appreciate the work too, and it would be great if you could somehow get that buyout data incorporated into entropiabay. Without buyout data, the listed market values are, unfortunately, not close enough to the real markets to be useful to me.
     
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    well the point is not to get the BO, but to get a MV close to the real one............. that is a different problem. Moreover pls don t forget: when you are looking to the ingame MV you are looking about a media (a real basic media i mean) of all the listing anywhere in the universe. Entropiabay, at the contrary, can give you the MV relative to each planet. We think this is important to support the trade between planets, at the contrary the in game MV does exctally the contrary. With the in game MV MA want to ....homologue?level?.....all the values in the universe making the trade a non sense. Like for the space, MA is making his move to suggest people to not travel.....
    Again look at this, it makes sense to trade between planets, but the in game MV hide all that
     
  10. KikkiJikki

    KikkiJikki Well-Known Member Pro Users

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    But dendracula, you don't give market value cos your data is missing a large proportion of the sales and that skews your results.
     
  11. dendricala

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    i don t think the point is this. Each auction sale value is not far away to the BO value. I mean is not that you buy at BO at x% and an auction sale for the same item has a value 1000000 ped different. The difference between the BO and auctions are very very close, why should be different?.
    Pls let a try, you will see that normally the difference between the in game MV and the entropiabay MV is really minimal.
    Moreover like i said the MV in game can be not confronted fairly with the values found in entropiabay.
    Es. in game the mv for iron is (hypothetical) 120%. But actually in calypso is 116% in arkadia 127% in next island 120% in rocktropia 121%...... but you will never know this. You get this 120% from MA that want that you pay 120% everywhere in the universe so u have no reason to trade and more important you will have less reasons to leave CALYPSO and go around. With the entropiabay data you can at least see that between the different planets the MV is different, and see where an item is more or less expensive.
    I would never say that the MV value in entropiabay are perfects, and this because i cannot analyze the BO, but for sure them are more precise of the in game ones that are a media of the different mv on the different planets.
    I would say, from this point of view, that the MV info from entropiabay are more valuable that the in game ones .

    ps: i like dendracula :)
     
  12. KikkiJikki

    KikkiJikki Well-Known Member Pro Users

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    You dont really have any way of knowing the mean difference between BO paid and non BO paid. There are many (I am one such um idiot) who often pay BO in significant excess of my estimate of MU if I am in a hurry.

    I am not arguing re the desirability of separate auction history for each planet. We agree on that issue.
     
  13. dendricala

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    i use BO too, and often i sell under MV just to be fast in my sell................. so at least we are 2 stupids here :)
    but our actions have effect on MV, that have effect on the next sales, whatever them are with BO, auction or not sold.
    More items will be sold more the MV will stabilize ....and again also in this case the auction sale will reflect this.

    But pls don t misunderstand me, i would like have the BO..... just i think that also without we can in any case, statistically talking, argue about the real in game MV.
     
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    First post updated with my resent sales
     
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    I'm soon finish mergeing this sales list with my mining sales list - so stay tuned ....
     
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    Thank you this really helps me out to decide what to sell the little I do to maximize my returns. :eek:)
     
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    First post updated with my last months sales now including ore and enmatter
     
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    Some detail information.

    [TABLE="width: 452"]

    Date

    What

    Numbers

    MU

    tt+

    Ped


    [TD="align: right"]08-04-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]2000
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]111,67
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]67
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]05-04-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]2500
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]112
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]84
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]05-04-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]1800
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]111,11
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]60
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]04-04-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]1800
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]111,11
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]60
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]04-04-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]1981
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]111,06
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]66
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]04-04-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]1800
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]111,11
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]60
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]04-04-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]1800
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]111,11
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]60
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]03-04-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]1800
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]111,11
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]60
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]03-04-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]1923
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]110,94
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]64
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]02-04-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]1800
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]109,26
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]59
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]01-04-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]1800
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]109,26
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]59
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]01-04-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]3500
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]106,67
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]112
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]01-04-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]1700
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]109,8
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]56
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]31-03-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]1700
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]109,8
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]56
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]31-03-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]1700
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]109,8
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]56
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]31-03-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]1700
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]109,8
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]56
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]31-03-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]1700
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]109,8
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]56
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]30-03-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]1700
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]109,8
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]56
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]29-03-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]1700
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]109,8
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]56
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]28-03-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]3500
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]106,67
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]112
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]27-03-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]3500
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]105,71
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]111
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]27-03-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]1700
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]107,84
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]55
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]24-03-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]3500
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]105,71
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]111
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]14-03-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]3500
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]108,57
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]114
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]10-03-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]3500
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]107,62
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]113
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]06-03-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]3500
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]107,62
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]113
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]02-03-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]3500
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]105,71
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]111
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]29-02-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]3500
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]105,71
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]111
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]28-02-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]3500
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]105,71
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]111
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]17-02-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]8000
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]106,25
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]255
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]10-02-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]5581
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]108,1
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]181
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]24-01-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]9807
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]107,07
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]315
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]21-01-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]5218
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]109,88
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]172
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]11-01-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]3516
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]109,97
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]116
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]07-01-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]8135
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]110,63
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]270
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]02-01-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]10000
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]109,67
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]329
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]01-01-2012
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]12004
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]106
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]381,7272
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]28-12-2011
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]994
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]117,37
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]35
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]27-12-2011
    [/TD]
    Animal Muscle Oil

    [TD="align: right"]3545
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]112,83
    [/TD]

    [TD="align: right"]120
    [/TD]
    [/TABLE]