So I'm extremely new here.

Discussion in 'New Player Discussions' started by gaiaovermind, Jul 6, 2012.

  1. gaiaovermind

    gaiaovermind New Member

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    I've completed all of the beginner tutorials, got my free hoverpod, and explored a little bit, but I'd like to start moving up through the economy to do the fun things (Mostly jets).

    I've used my VSE a few times, gathered around 100 sweat, but this is where my questions come in. Is there a trick to actually gathering the sweat? As far as I can tell I look at the mob, fire the vse, and hope for the best, but is there any actual order to this process or is it determined by my sweat gathering stat? I only ask because I'll try to gather 5 or 6 times with the tool sound cutting off, and then get attacked by said mob, who interrupts my concentration consistently.

    Just asking to try and get an idea of whether or not sweating is going to be worth the time it takes, or if I should just kill said mobs and sell the loot.

    Patiently awaiting an actual reply!
     
  2. Cly

    Cly Active Member

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    Patience should always be rewarded :)

    To answer your question: if you've got a 100 sweat already then basically you're doing it right. Usually, I would drag a name-bar off a creature, have my tool equipped, and then double-click the name bar and push the "auto-use tool" button which I have mapped.

    Creatures _will_ get angry at you stealing their mojo, this is a given. Success with the tool does not always appear to be majorly affected by your sweat gathering stat - my disciple frequently pulls more than I do even though I am 12 levels above her in Sweat Gathering last I looked. I think TBH it is largely to do with lag.

    Sweat gathering works better if you can work in a small-ish team (or even a pair of people really) because it gives 2 people to spread the attacks between until the creature is dry. Finding creatures with peaceful tendencies, low attack rates and low damage is of course ideal, but in general most sweaters are prepared to die, and die often.

    You can use a healing tool to keep you alive out there, and you can equip some armour to improve your chances of survival, but those both have operating costs and if sweating is to save up funds to play then you might find yourself on a zero-sum game for a while until your Evade skills get high enough to prevent you taking much damage from a given mob - which will be quite some time.

    If time is actually a highly valuable commodity for you, then I must admit that sadly sweating as an activity gets harder to justify in and of itself as a way to make money the stronger your RL currency is against the dollar. When you do the math and conversions and realise that 1000s of sweat have just earned you $2.50 then depositing say $20 now and then to hunt the smaller creatures (or to allow you to switch between sweating and hunting as desired) may seem very attractive. On the other hand, if you have loads of free time then sweating is an ideal vehicle to set you up with basic stats while gathering the sort of basic initial investment to kick off a hunting or mining career.

    Please feel free to ask if you have any more questions though - always happy to help where possible.
     
  3. Milesio

    Milesio Platinum Member Platinum Member

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    You can do the sweat work more automatic. You can assign key from keyboard for sweat tool, another for action "unequip tool" and another for "Toggle auto use", i am offline and i am not sure about names.

    For assign key for a tool or weapon, press G, press L, press I.

    Then you see inventory open, choose tool section. And using mouse drag tool sweat to a empty key "i use 7 key but you can choose another".

    For assign key for a action, press Y, in search window write "unequip tool" find the page in action book and move icon to a empty key "i use 8, but ...".

    For assign "toggle auto use" to a key in this search action window, write "toggle auto" find the icon and move a key empty.

    When you want gather sweat from a mob left click a mob and drag life bar to screen, then press key you choosed for sweat tool and leftclick the lifebar. If you want repeat automatic the action press key for "toggle auto use". When you want stop press again "toggle auto use key" or press "unequip tool" key.

    Is more difficult read this than assign keys. When mob hit, you lost concentration but you can have free skills, as agility, combat reflex and others.

    If someone help you giving "focus" with a mindforce syncronization chip, you not loss concentration, but not always you find a player giving "focus".

    Welcome game.
     
  4. gaiaovermind

    gaiaovermind New Member

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    Oh wow, thank you both greatly. Between the actual insight you've given and the tips I'm refreshed on the idea, and have tripled or quadrupled my sweat income. Thank you very much for both the information, and for being so welcoming to newer players.

    If there's any way I can thank you inside the forums, aside from the little post buttons, please let me know.
     
  5. Cly

    Cly Active Member

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    I think you just did ;)
    Welcome aboard!
     
  6. Neil

    Neil Adviser Pro Users Arkadia Adviser

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    Also, I didn't see it mentioned, but there is a group sweating area at Celeste Outpost. You'll often find a team of people sweating Nusul, and the sweat gain is much greater there. However, your evade skill gain will not be nearly as fast as when sweating carabok... so whether you sweat Carabok or Nusul depends on whether you're sweating for skills or for sweat.

    Celeste Outpost coordinates are 27200,11000.

    And a lot of new players think they MUST sweat for a while. Sweating is entirely optional. If you like it do it. If you don't, then move on to other things. When I started entropia, I sweated for about a day on punies at the sweat camp on Calypso, decided it wasn't for me, deposited, bought a vehicle and started exploring the planet. The thing about entropia is it's completely open-ended. People might tell you what you should do, but what you actually do is completely up to you... well, up to you and your ped card :)
     
  7. Kinnison

    Kinnison Active Member

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    Another point worth mentioning is that sweating (particularly if you do it not wearing armour and wait for natural healing - or for one of the people who hang around sometimes to skill healing) is a good way of getting free evade skills. If this is what you're after, wearing armour is not a good idea. If it's (L) armour eventually it breaks, and if it's unlimited then it costs ped to repair.

    One more thing; the procedure called swunting can be quite useful to gain a bit of extra cash. Basically, sweat the mob until it's dry (for carabok this won't be long!) and then kill it. For that mob, weapons available from the TT work fine.

    And don't do as I do far too often and go out hunting without any ammo! (Or mining without bombs, I suppose.)