I was wasting some time in entropedia. Then i decided to select the herman weapons, and to confront dmg/sec and dmg/pec --------------------------Dmg/sec |Dmg/PEC Herman ARK-10 (L) 5.1 2.838 Herman ARK-10 Arctic (L) 10.7 2.861 Herman ARK-10 Desert (L) 10.2 2.859 Herman ARK-10 Jungle (L) 10.8 2.571 Herman ARK-10 Smuggler 10.6 Herman ARK-20 (L)----- 18.2 2.859 Herman ARK-20 Arctic (L) 29.7 2.865 Herman ARK-20 Desert (L) 28.7 2.865 Herman ARK-20 Jungle (L) 31.3 2.862 Herman ARK-20 Smuggler 30.1 2.806 Herman ARK-30 (L)----- 34.6 2.864 Herman ARK-30 Arctic (L) 41.6 2.869 Herman ARK-30 Desert (L) 40 2.869 Herman ARK-30 Jungle (L) 42.5 2.876 Herman ARK-30 Smuggler 41.9 2.812 Herman ARK-40 (L)----- 43.6 2.806 Herman ARK-40 Arctic (L) 51.2 2.873 Herman ARK-40 Jungle (L) 53.2 2.873 Herman ARK-40 Smuggler 50.2 2.816 Herman ARK-50 (L)----- 55.6 2.874 Herman ARK-50 Arctic (L) 61.2 Herman ARK-50 Desert (L) 58.4 Herman ARK-50 Jungle (L) 63.4 3.006 Herman ASI-10 (L) ---4.4 2.843 Herman ASI-10 Arctic (L) 13.3 2.866 Herman ASI-10 Desert (L) 13.3 2.862 Herman ASI-10 Jungle (L) 13.2 2.857 Herman ASI-10 Smuggler 13.9 Herman ASI-20 (L) -----19.1 2.863 Herman ASI-20 Arctic (L) 29.5 2.87 Herman ASI-20 Desert (L) 29 2.867 Herman ASI-20 Jungle (L) 29.6 2.861 Herman ASI-20 Smuggler 29.4 2.818 Herman ASI-30 (L) -----32.5 2.868 Herman ASI-30 Arctic (L) 39.6 2.871 Herman ASI-30 Desert (L) 39 2.869 Herman ASI-30 Jungle (L) 39.6 2.868 Herman ASI-40 (L) ------41.9 2.886 Herman ASI-40 Arctic (L) 46.7 2.876 Herman ASI-40 Desert (L) 45.5 2.876 Herman ASI-40 Jungle (L) 48 2.876 Herman ASI-50 (L) -----54.2 Herman ASI-50 Arctic (L) 59 Herman ASI-50 Desert (L) 57.8 Herman ASI-50 Jungle (L) 60.1 Herman CAP-101 (L) 4.3 2.843 Herman CAP-101 Arctic (L) 13.3 2.866 Herman CAP-101 Desert (L) 13.3 2.746 Herman CAP-101 Jungle (L) 12.5 2.854 Herman CAP-101 Smuggler 14.2 2.814 Herman CAP-202 (L) ------19.1 2.864 Herman CAP-202 Arctic (L) 29.4 2.869 Herman CAP-202 Desert (L) 28.3 2.867 Herman CAP-202 Jungle (L) 29.8 2.861 Herman CAP-202 Smuggler 28.9 2.818 Herman CAP-303 (L) ------32.2 2.868 Herman CAP-303 Arctic (L) 38.9 2.871 Herman CAP-303 Desert (L) 38.4 2.869 Herman CAP-303 Jungle (L) 40.3 2.868 Herman CAP-303 Smuggler 38.5 2.822 Herman CAP-404 (L) 42.9 2.868 Herman CAP-404 Arctic (L) 48.1 2.876 Herman CAP-404 Desert (L) 46.9 2.876 Herman CAP-404 Jungle (L) 48.4 2.876 Herman CAP-505 (L)----------55.5 Herman CAP-505 Arctic (L) 60.8 Herman LAW-101 (L) 5 2.837 Herman LAW-101 Arctic (L) 10.4 2.858 Herman LAW-101 Desert (L) 10 2.86 Herman LAW-101 Jungle (L) 10.7 2.861 Herman LAW-101 Smuggler 10.2 Herman LAW-202 (L) ------20.6 2.859 Herman LAW-202 Arctic (L) 30 Herman LAW-202 Desert (L) 28.7 2.865 Herman LAW-202 Jungle (L) 30.8 2.864 Herman LAW-303 (L) ------34.3 2.864 Herman LAW-303 Arctic (L) 41.8 2.869 Herman LAW-303 Desert (L) 40.1 2.829 Herman LAW-303 Jungle (L) 42.6 2.868 Herman LAW-404 (L) ------45.2 Herman LAW-404 Arctic (L) 51.5 2.874 Herman LAW-404 Desert (L) 49.2 2.873 Herman LAW-404 Jungle (L) 52.3 2.873 Herman LAW-404 Smuggler 50.3 2.816 Herman LAW-505 (L) ------55.6 Herman LAW-505 Arctic (L) 61.2 2.83 Herman LAW-505 Desert (L) 58.4 Herman LAW-505 Smuggler 59.6 2.95 so all those weapons have a dmg/pec of 2.8................. that is not cheap at all, don t has any appeal from a MV point of view...and show no initiative. Guys, you can do better
Putting this in perspective... HEre are dpp for a few of the more popular Caly weapons: h400 (L) 2.883 apis (L) 2.869 p5a (L) 2.867 karma killer 2.871 Kiwio mk2 (L) 2.832 There are less than 50 laser weapons EU wide with dpp >2.9 and once you take into account the understandably high MU, effective dpp drops significantly. There are eleven blp weapons with dpp>2.9. And number 2 on the BLP list? Ark-50 Jungle edition. Those Herman weapons aint so bad... Regards, KikkiJikki
By "ain't so bad", he means pretty damn good when you start comparing apples to apples and including MU of equivalent Caly weapons. I don't want to take the time now to post all the stats, but there are many posts here and on pcf showing the value of Ark weapons over Caly weapons in many situations. Thanks, Carny
I've been using a CAP-202 Desert with A103, and for me around lvl 20 the actual dmg/pec is about 3.04, including MU.
damage per pec really means nothing. people gotta stop thinking all the numbers can just be crunched to be eco. I watch my loot pretty good and i've noticed that when i use something with less dmg/pec my loot is also higher on average too per mob. When i use MF and i'm decaying my chip and my implant and using ME i have a lot bigger sized loots then when i use an Opalo. So dont get hung up on Dmg/pec i'd be more considered about doing overkill dmg doing 50 dmg to a mob that has 10 hp left in it. thats really where waste happenes.
Ofc it means a lot,and ofc a lot of numbers can be crunched.Just because you can't be bothered to keep statistics and do maths, that doesn't mean it can't be beneficial for others.
take it or leave it man i dont have time anymore to make everyone nice charts so they can believe my 8 years of experience and not having to deposit for the last 4+ years either. but as a short example i used a very un-eco powerfist last night and profited used un-eco swords too and profited big take the other week. used un-eco MF chips and profited. profiting is more about knowing when and where and what to hunt and with what equipment. It's the magical formula based on all those factors i've just not been bad at it because i have one of those rainman type brains when it comes to paterns. Ask Spirit he's been in team as my fapper and seen my loot
well i think you are going off topic. I was not starting a discussion about calypso vs arkadia weapons, not even about eco. I just say that would be nice to have multiple possibilities. More dmg/sec higher dmg pec or slower attack lower dmg/pec etcet that is all. note: if you consider the breer serie not all of them are 2.8 dmg/pec
You said a little more than that: I tried to stay on topic but when you talk about the numbers it useful to contrast the herman weapons with other popular choices. My view is there is a range of choices, taking into account the trade off between dpp, dps, range, etc, with only a couple being a little underwhelming. note: if you consider the herman series, not all of them are 2.8 dpp either. You can see this from examining your original post. Having said all that, I am quite open to more firearms being released, just as they have for blades. Regards, KikkiJikki
thx this was exctally my point. It was a constructive suggestion for the Arkadia team in effect. About this i have also a question: what liberty the arkadia team has in building their weapons/tools? I guess some about must be black on withe in the planet partner contract. I guess a planet partner cannot build a super uber weapon that drop each 5 min ofc, but a part the design what are the rules enforced by MA about? It would be very nice to have a copy of that contract also because over time in effect MA/ calypso had the right to create whatever weapons/tools that actually are still around and are competing with the new weapons/tools released by each new planet partner. DC
I doubt we'll ever see that contract. I do recall from previous discussion that characteristics of all new items have to be approved by the balancing team, but as to what criteria are applied... As a weapon crafter on Arkadia, sales turnover tells me that the local weapons compete pretty well with foreign items. Regards, KikkiJikki
This is from a "recalled" conversation during the initial days of planet launched with Dave ... With him saying that PP isn't really allowed to come up with any stuff that can throw the EU economy off balance, such as a super eco weapon that is 0.1 dmg/pec that can under mind all the weapons from other planets in EU. If we consider such is true, then it isn't just about creating uber items that can render other planets' items effectively "eco-friendly useless". jc
And yet you can buy super uber eco weapons on calypso, seems a bit double standard to me, okay they may not drop any more, but hey are still available
I am a number cruncher and I use Arkadia weapons for my grinding needs even though most of my time is spent on other planets. That says a lot for the Arkadia developers understanding of the economy and their ability to deliver what the players want. narfi