Deleting Pirate Threads now are we?

What a bunch of BS... lets make the world all full of flowers and pink fluffy bunnies, right?

There will be MANY pirate threads like this. Why not delete the whole section of the thread?

This post was epic:

I guess, reports were made but I didnt see any harassement from other players, more like accusations that were probably true. Mr. Advisor should imho rethink the killing of people heading for Arkadia, since he is an ARKADIA ADVISOR.

I would think that the more players on Arkadia the better. Seems like an Arkadia advisor sees it a different way... Maybe by killing them he is ADVISING them NOT to go to Arkadia Hehe...

Just sayin...

Point of this thread?
- Why not delete the whole section of the pirate threads
- Stagger should rethink if he is on the GOOD or the BAD side, he cant be both (advisor being GOOD, pirate advisor BAD)
- Cyrus should also think about it, if its a good idea to have an advisor killing people heading for Arkadia

TJ

 

Arkadia forums don't lock the issue just delete?

That doesn't do anything positive. =/

Imagine a lot of unhappy people will result from this.

 

I posted in previous - now removed thread that Stagger did shoot me down twice even though I did ask him nicely after first time to leave us; me and my passenger alone on our way to Arkadia. He said hes not a pirate yet he shortly after this shot us down again.

My second reply in the now deleted thread where Stagger asks for chat log etc as of above is as follow;

"I cant see posting facts + my opinion in this thread ever could be considered as harassment at all.
Heres a definition from answers dot com
"Harassment covers a wide range of behaviors of an offensive nature. It is commonly understood as behaviour intended to disturb or upset, and it is characteristically repetitive. In the legal sense, it is intentional behaviour which is found threatening or disturbing"
Im just verifying what you did - I dont save chat log or anything - instead I find it rather infantile that you now claim it never happened if I dont present chat log when you already have admit your actions in previous replies in this thread.
If anyone have been harassed its me with your actions to shoot me down twice in a row."

Note; this is my second post ever on this Forum so wheres the harassment against you Stagger?

 

I dont like seeing threads deleted but its hardly surprising it happened in this particular instance.

Process for posting and naming pirates was setup with the understanding that we keep personal disputes and flaming out of it. My perception was that this was where the thread was heading last time I read it. The sticky containing guidelines for pirate naming posts is quite clear:

"After the mods have received 3 or more reports about a post, then we will act in accordance with the established forum rules regarding disputes (See Forums Rules - Rule 2b and 2d.) "

And rule 2d:
– Personal Issues with other members
Personal issues between members or societies should not be debated in the open forums. These threads will be closed and deleted (unless they are of a role-playing nature, all parties are aware of such and they still fall within the forum rules). If you feel that you have been attacked unfairly, Contact the Forum Staff.

Thread had become a personal dispute about Stagger's advisor status. That has nothing to do with whether he is a pirate. Poeple concerned with the Advisor issue should have followed up directly with Cyrus. So I assume it got reported and subsequently the thread was deleted as per the previously published guidelines.

It wasn't easy to get the forum administration to allow naming of pirates in the forum. If people regulary use the thread to attack the named pirates I expect the policy will be reversed and that would be very unfortunate.

 

I'm pissed now

Why did you delete the thread about stagger and not the one about me ? I got attacked as well and the thread is still there , I understand why the thread about the Pirate Stagger has been deleted , he is an Advisor on Arkadia and the truth hurts too much for you to accept that a Pirate is an advisor on your planet , I think ppl here deserves to be warned about that person but ok, protect your Pirates , I don't care...

 

With all respect but , I think it's a bit unfair to delete a threat like that, look at the thread about me, it's full of attacks toward me but it has not been deleted and I don't want to, ppl deserves to know if somebody is a pirate or not, unless somebody here is protecting him ...

 

.Xman,

1. The thread WASN'T deleted. Van put it in a moderation queue for us to review.

2. I agree with you, however, that deleting it would have been a bit unfair, and I would have been protesting to any mod who did such a thing.

3. Every mod in this forum is aware of the potential damage that can be caused by too much censorship, and none of us want it to happen. I believe the history of the forum speaks for itself, and as an example, we even created a special forum where people can name pirates. It is an issue we take very seriously, and something we discuss regularly. It is often the principle that makes us watch something play out or gently guide it, rather than getting in and modding. Don't for one minute think we're not aware of it, or want to see people unfairly muted. That would be horrible.

4. There is a fundamental difference between your thread and Stagger's - the integrity of the Advisers was being called into question. The corollory is the the Advisers and forum staff need to review precisely how we believe we should be behaving, and make sure we're all on the same page. With such things in question, and such discussions now happening in private forums, Van put the thread temporarily in the mod queue to prevent it getting further out of hand.

5.

Interesting guess, but it's baseless and I reject it outright. I think it's clear by how much time and energy the Advisers put into making the new player experience great, that there's more going on here than a group of people purely concerned with protecting their own image.

 

Thanks for the good explanation, Tim.

 

Your 4th points confirms that you removed the thread cause Stagger is an Adviser and you fear the image of advisers to be damaged , we were not talking about all advisers but only about one in particular , now you confirmed with your post what I thought and I'm a bit disgusted , instead of making sure Advisers don't hurt other Players , you censor those who have been hit and just want to be listened to, I have no idea what your policies are but I highly recommend checking what your guys do and not censor ppl who complain about the action of a person we all thought to be honourable and trustworthy, by putting that thread under moderation I feel you just fueled the anger of those hit .

What I can suggest you is to just to put the thread back there where it was and to please take the necessary steps in order to keep your guys under control.

 

Being such a rookie not knowing where to look Ive found out that I actually had chat log enabled!

So for all interested -------> heres the proof of Stagger shooting me down twice;



2011-09-13 19:02:17 [Local] [] Stagger destroyed Quad-Wing Interceptor (L).
2011-09-13 19:02:21 [Local] [] You take 137.0 points of damage.
2011-09-13 19:02:21 [Local] [] Stagger killed Una cyberflo Albino.
2011-09-13 19:17:19 [Local] [Una cyberflo Albino] stagger -just leave us alone
　
2011-09-13 19:19:58 [Local] [Una cyberflo Albino] dont hassle us..
2011-09-13 19:20:37 [Local] [Una cyberflo Albino] I was on my way to foma ...and other miner asked for flight to arkadia
2011-09-13 19:22:23 [Local] [Miss Hilly Breiwick] hiyas stagger
2011-09-13 19:22:32 [Local] [Stagger] hey
2011-09-13 19:22:52 [Local] [Una cyberflo Albino] are u guys gonna leave us miner alone?...we dont have any loot...yet
2011-09-13 19:23:39 [Local] [Miss Hilly Breiwick] i just came to say hi
2011-09-13 19:23:42 [Local] [Miss Hilly Breiwick]
2011-09-13 19:23:58 [Local] [Una cyberflo Albino] ok ty Miss Hilly...and u stagger?
2011-09-13 19:24:05 [Local] [Stagger] i'm not a pirate
2011-09-13 19:24:15 [Local] [Una cyberflo Albino] then dont PK me again
　
2011-09-13 19:27:25 [Local] [] Stagger destroyed Quad-Wing Interceptor (L).
2011-09-13 19:27:28 [Local] [] You take 92.2 points of damage.
2011-09-13 19:27:33 [Local] [] Stagger killed Jonna.
2011-09-13 19:27:52 [Local] [] You take 56.5 points of damage.

guess above says it all.......

 

Yes with the possibility of removing my Pirate tag not delete the whole thread , anyways I want the report about me to stay there even if I'm considering quitting Piracy, not sure yet anyways .

 

I would like to add that there is also a Thread created in the adviser section discussing this matter as well and will be reviewed by die Dev team as soon as possible.

This situation is unfortunate but please remember that we Advisers are all just normal players of this game as well that also want to enjoy all aspects of the game that suits our play style weather it be Nutral / Knight or pirate. We don't have special rights and actually have more restrictions then normal players that we have to adhere to. If this is against the Adviser code of conduct is not all that clear and I think its better for everyone to rather wait on a statement from the Dev team on this before things get out of hand.

Regards
Shiro

 

I'm only going to say this one more time.

We didn't remove it. We shifted it to the mod queue while we work things out. I even put that in bold last time.

Because Stagger is an Adviser, yes. Because we "fear" the image of the advisers to be damaged? Only to the extent that such damage affects the new player experience.

Your implication is that we're worried about the image of the Advisors for image's sake alone, and that's what I was rejecting, because while it's the only reason you identify, it's nowhere near the most important reason for us. The Advisers exist to help new players, and we want to make sure that this mission is not compromised.

That's a perfectly adequate reason to put the thread in the mod queue while we agree on a modus operandi.

another baseless allegation - we in fact ARE trying to make sure Advisers don't do the wrong thing

I have already explained the difference between censorship, and what we are doing. I have also explained how important it is to us not to over-censor. And if you don't feel listened to, then I'm not sure what else I can do other than take the time to respond to you in two separate posts.

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Please now kindly give us the time to sort things out, work out what we think the rules should be here, and get back to you. We're doing our best to find a balance between people speaking their minds, and allowing pointless, deconstructive banter to go on unabated, and that's our job as mods on a Sunday evening.

 

Yes , I think it would help the community if the Adviser's group had an official position on Piracy , whether neutral of pro/against Piracy and Pkers, but I'm quite sure it would help even more if you Advisers were against it . It would help you build more trust within EU community. If I was a noob I wouldn't really appreciate to be killed and looted in space by someone who helped me 5 minutes ago, you wouldn't even expect that to happen .

 

i see now where it has gone wrong, and for that i will give you an honest apology.

When i said i'm not a pirate,
i was going to write after that, that i'm only doing this to make people aware of the fact that escorts are needed.
and that i'm more of a black knight, which is just in pissed off mode.
sorta like i said to many other people before i followed them and shot em down.

i have no idea why i didn't finish writing that,
propably because i smoked a bit too much of the weed and my mind got distracted.

When you said don't pk me again, i propably thought i pkéd you earlier that day. not 20 minutes earlier.

Then again, when i first killed you, you were alone.
and now you were carrying a passanger, which puts you in a new scenario.
So because of that i stand with my point that it was your right to be killed with your passanger once.

anyways, sorry for "camping" you there for once,
it will not happen again.

hope this closes the conflict.

 

Stop with these excuses Stagger , you do that to loot , in fact you looted them a lot of peds worth stuff , so stop with your lies , you are a Pirate, at least admit it , you are just making yourself look even worse .

 

Ok good , we will give you the time to do that , we only hope that no more ppl will be affected by this while you work on it.

 

stop lying or i will report you Xman..
2011-09-13 19:22:52 [Local] [Una cyberflo Albino] are u guys gonna leave us miner alone?...we dont have any loot...yet

i know you have personal issues with me,
just because you cannot win from me in space.
it doesn't mean you are allowed to try and bring me down on a forum.

i'm high right now, your efforts will not work to impress me.

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